Please make your substantive points without crossing into personal attack. As the rest of the thread shows, there was a simple misunderstanding here. (Submitted title was "We generated ethnic music from every single country on earth".) Nothing here justified accusations of bigotry.
I hear you, Dan, but it isn't a personal attack. It's illustrative of the fact that when we assign human attributes like ethnicity to an AI that the results lead to bigotry and misunderstanding.
My statement was made prior to any other comments or the later removal of the term ethnic, but I think my argument is still valid. "Don't do cultural appropriation via LLM."
I have to disagree. If you fire so highly pejorative a word as "bigotry" at another commenter, that's crossing into personal attack, and you can't undo it with qualifiers like "almost" and "borders on". The pejorative burns through.
The fact that the OP was actually talking about Esperanto, of all things, shows how off-base that was.
I'm sure you didn't intend your comment personally, but I'm equally sure that the OP wasn't intending anything nefarious. Pouncing on their use of a single word "ethnic" is just the sort of thing that guideline I quoted asks commenters not to do. If you had paused before pouncing, you could have come up with several other things they might have meant.
This may be a case where your intent didn't match the effect of the post on the reader, i.e. you meant something other than how it came across. That's common, of course.
I still think apps like this undermine your goal, and I say that as both an AI booster and lover of multiculturalism.
If we're going to improve humanity by being pluralistic and open to understanding other cultures, that must come from examining the conditions and content of that culture itself, not any simulation of them. We can't get closer to people by avoiding talking to them, listening to them, reading their writing, eating their food, going to their temples, etc.
AI helps with none of that but it could fool people into thinking they had done those things.
AI has reached criticality. Hide under the bed.
Oh wow, some of these are better than my Spotify recommendations...
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Please make your substantive points without crossing into personal attack. As the rest of the thread shows, there was a simple misunderstanding here. (Submitted title was "We generated ethnic music from every single country on earth".) Nothing here justified accusations of bigotry.
If you re-read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, there's a guideline in there for just these situations:
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
I hear you, Dan, but it isn't a personal attack. It's illustrative of the fact that when we assign human attributes like ethnicity to an AI that the results lead to bigotry and misunderstanding.
My statement was made prior to any other comments or the later removal of the term ethnic, but I think my argument is still valid. "Don't do cultural appropriation via LLM."
I have to disagree. If you fire so highly pejorative a word as "bigotry" at another commenter, that's crossing into personal attack, and you can't undo it with qualifiers like "almost" and "borders on". The pejorative burns through.
The fact that the OP was actually talking about Esperanto, of all things, shows how off-base that was.
I'm sure you didn't intend your comment personally, but I'm equally sure that the OP wasn't intending anything nefarious. Pouncing on their use of a single word "ethnic" is just the sort of thing that guideline I quoted asks commenters not to do. If you had paused before pouncing, you could have come up with several other things they might have meant.
That's why it was a warning, a warning to him to not use terms like that. It's strange you'd view that as me needing the warning, but fair enough.
This may be a case where your intent didn't match the effect of the post on the reader, i.e. you meant something other than how it came across. That's common, of course.
Thank you!
I'm not a native english speaker and what i meant was iconic, not ethnic. Fixed the title - my bad.
This experiment is about helping people explore music of other cultures, in any language.
For example, there is likely no band performing Mongolian throat singing in Yoruba, and we explored how it might've sounded like.
I still think apps like this undermine your goal, and I say that as both an AI booster and lover of multiculturalism.
If we're going to improve humanity by being pluralistic and open to understanding other cultures, that must come from examining the conditions and content of that culture itself, not any simulation of them. We can't get closer to people by avoiding talking to them, listening to them, reading their writing, eating their food, going to their temples, etc.
AI helps with none of that but it could fool people into thinking they had done those things.