Huh, this is fascinating. My wife and I did IVF with WGS in order to find a much less catastrophic shared genetic condition[0]. We have the FASTQs for my parents, and brother, and my wife and me, and our daughter (and our other embryos) and I've run it through the standard Opus[1] (since 4.5) and none have contradicted our genetic counselors or IVF doctors. This is an interesting, and devastating, condition far more severe than anything we risked. More power to the author for having coped in a productive way. I hope that more such science will lead to healthier babies, parents more comfortable with children since they know what they can avoid or mitigate, and happier families.
As an aside, I have not found SF to be anti-natal but that's because of the community we've formed. Of our friends in SF, almost all are trying for children or have them. Our shared Slack group is full of happy news. Inevitably, many of us must move elsewhere in order to allow them some freedom[2] and good education[3]. So there's a bit of a dead-sea effect, true, but even within that sea there are pockets of community one can find.
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2: Within the last year 2 children have been killed in our neighbourhood by drivers, and parents in the US already compensate by cutting child freedom significantly
3: Since school system design is determined by both parents and non-parents, it is a vehicle of expression of non-education-related action by the latter, and in a city where they dominate the former, the effects are typical
My first son will be born in 2 months and I must say, between stories like this and others that I learned in antenatal classes - I have never been more terrified in my life
This is such a sad story. What would it feel like to have a child? I'll probably never experience it in my lifetime. I've never been through that, but when my sibling died of cancer, I couldn't do anything for nearly a year. I imagine it's a similar feeling. I wish you all the best in everything you do from now on.
That story is heart breaking. I really feel for you and your family. I quite literally cannot imagine having to make that decision regardless of how inevitable it was, and how much pain you felt.
No matter how short his life, or how much his suffering, Owen did get to experience being held by parents who loved him.
I’m skeptical that general purpose LLMs are a good fit for a very specialized medical analysis task. Something trained specifically for the task would be the path I’d explore.
> I’m skeptical that general purpose LLMs are a good fit for a very specialized medical analysis task
If they can save more lives without harming other lives I would gladly take it during the analysis. Even saving 1% more lives is an amazing achievement!
Does it say anywhere that he’s using general purpose models for the analysis? Fine tuning open weight models is generally available for pretty minimal cost, I’d say his reference to vibe coding is how he is building the software not how the software functions.
General models are very cheap to get started with though. So even if they are less than ideal, you can use them to get a company going and then make something more efficient.
lots of different ways, the loss of a child the potential loss of two children, the powerlessness and despair the parents would have been feeling... turning to AI which might have a positive outcome but many of us are not very trusting of the tool.
Its a sad story. I wish them well, I hope this is one of those scenarios that AI works exactly as desired.
Huh, this is fascinating. My wife and I did IVF with WGS in order to find a much less catastrophic shared genetic condition[0]. We have the FASTQs for my parents, and brother, and my wife and me, and our daughter (and our other embryos) and I've run it through the standard Opus[1] (since 4.5) and none have contradicted our genetic counselors or IVF doctors. This is an interesting, and devastating, condition far more severe than anything we risked. More power to the author for having coped in a productive way. I hope that more such science will lead to healthier babies, parents more comfortable with children since they know what they can avoid or mitigate, and happier families.
As an aside, I have not found SF to be anti-natal but that's because of the community we've formed. Of our friends in SF, almost all are trying for children or have them. Our shared Slack group is full of happy news. Inevitably, many of us must move elsewhere in order to allow them some freedom[2] and good education[3]. So there's a bit of a dead-sea effect, true, but even within that sea there are pockets of community one can find.
0: https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/IVF
1: Fable as expected yields:
2: Within the last year 2 children have been killed in our neighbourhood by drivers, and parents in the US already compensate by cutting child freedom significantly3: Since school system design is determined by both parents and non-parents, it is a vehicle of expression of non-education-related action by the latter, and in a city where they dominate the former, the effects are typical
My first son will be born in 2 months and I must say, between stories like this and others that I learned in antenatal classes - I have never been more terrified in my life
Aside from the sad life events, little information is shares about his "system", the thing HN is interested in.
Is this more than a harness built on top of a SOTA commercial LLM?
This is such a sad story. What would it feel like to have a child? I'll probably never experience it in my lifetime. I've never been through that, but when my sibling died of cancer, I couldn't do anything for nearly a year. I imagine it's a similar feeling. I wish you all the best in everything you do from now on.
Bravo. I feel like there's a kind of growth that only arrives through pain, but I wish nobody had to receive it that way.
Peering through the NICU window & wondering if my child would survive was one of the most traumatizing moments of my life. Rooting for your work.
moments like this really get me excited for AI and the future. im glad their new baby is healthy
That story is heart breaking. I really feel for you and your family. I quite literally cannot imagine having to make that decision regardless of how inevitable it was, and how much pain you felt.
No matter how short his life, or how much his suffering, Owen did get to experience being held by parents who loved him.
It reads like a specific genome would lead to deterministic outcomes. It does not. Life is messy.
Most Down Syndrome people have happy lives, some can even leave alone and have an independent daily live.
Life expectancy is up to 60 years.
Yet in Iceland „Democratization“ of genetic diagnosis lead to basically 0% Down Syndrome kids.
Where does this stop? What with someone of a genetic indication of aggressive cancer- life expectancy 55? Abort?
The same (detectable) genetic mutation leads to vastly different lives.
> anti-natal communitarianism of SF
oh boy
This is a heartbreaking story and you can't imagine a more motivated founder.
Godspeed.
Huh.
> It was clear that something about my approach was interesting.
But no approach. Not even a hint.
I do hope it pans out. I do understand it must be a trade secret in order for you to have a business, but I'm still a little underwhelmed.
llm("opus", genome)
I’m skeptical that general purpose LLMs are a good fit for a very specialized medical analysis task. Something trained specifically for the task would be the path I’d explore.
I think author meant he vibe coded some deterministic system. Maybe comparing the whole genome to a healthy one, and pointing out all diffs?
> I’m skeptical that general purpose LLMs are a good fit for a very specialized medical analysis task
If they can save more lives without harming other lives I would gladly take it during the analysis. Even saving 1% more lives is an amazing achievement!
Does it say anywhere that he’s using general purpose models for the analysis? Fine tuning open weight models is generally available for pretty minimal cost, I’d say his reference to vibe coding is how he is building the software not how the software functions.
General models are very cheap to get started with though. So even if they are less than ideal, you can use them to get a company going and then make something more efficient.
You'll are extremely strong. Rooting for you'll!
This is extremely disturbing.
Man tries to find way to improve situation that gave him needless distress surrounding the death of his newborn.
Internet reply: this is extremely disturbing
In what way?
lots of different ways, the loss of a child the potential loss of two children, the powerlessness and despair the parents would have been feeling... turning to AI which might have a positive outcome but many of us are not very trusting of the tool.
Its a sad story. I wish them well, I hope this is one of those scenarios that AI works exactly as desired.
Really gotta love people who trauma-dump with no appropriate boundaries.