His kind are like alien vampire squids that in sci-fi books/movies descend from space to harvest earth's resources and terraform the planet for their parasitic use, as famously described in The War of the Worlds.
Epstein island 2.0 is required in order to fill the pipeline of depraved and pliable, corrupted power puppets.
More squid than vampire imho, he probably suffers from the same genetic degeneracy as Zuck by the look of it, these fucking ghouls barely resemble humans and day after day prove they should not be treated as such
Mostly anti parasitic, all shared common traits between all the sociopaths in charge of big companies/institutions not my problem, it's a good line of defense I admit, but I fear it works less and less since people see through the bs more easily these days.
You may want to pick a broader range of samples for your examples then, since both Zuck and Kushner being Jewish and you choosing those two names specifically...
I think parent poster is implying that the language is directed at or about Kushner's Jewish ethnicity.
Which I don't think is the intent of anybody in this thread. We're just talking about them being privileged and rich.
I do think it's important to avoid accidental or deliberate anti-Semitism when talking here though. Epstein and Kushner being Jewish has zero to do with their vileness, but for a segment of the population it's all too easy to unconsciously (or worse, consciously) make a linkage between old vile anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Rothschilds or whatever.
Criticise a jewish person for something completely unrelated: infinite amount of green accounts created on the spot come in and start vaguely referencing "ThE DaRkEsT TiMe In HiStOrY".
It would indeed be surprising to hear people say this if you completely ignore the words and actions of the Epstein class and the overwhelming amount of pain and suffering they afflict on everyone else.
The rich are getting too openly greedy and complacent again, they're slowly forgetting about history, can't wait to see how it pans out in the next decades.
Real estate, Crypto and AI make up the 3 legged stool of US investment (from my perspective).
In my area which is over 1/3 retired people this is where the majority of their investments seem to lie. Those who are simply relying on 401k or other investments are also at risk due to the lack of diversification. Since their investments are tied to those 3 things.
If any of the legs of the stool go out...the whole thing goes down.
All the great art should teach us that we can't take reaches to the grave, it's too bad that this is being forgotten.
Then again, may be they already figured out how to make their lives meaningfully longer. I often think what drives 80 year old Bidens and Trumps to live the stressful POTUS life.
And I can think of only one incentive. Weird thoughts, but otherwise the dots just don't connect.
Different people are driven by different things. Some people genuinely want to serve their nation and being a president is a huge honor to the family. You become part of history.
Others may be serving their own interests as it gives them access to all information.
Half of Albania is butchered like this, beaches and green being destroyed to make resorts for the tourists to come. Go see Dermi or Vuno and then go see Borsh how clean it is, with no excavations at all or resorts being build.
> Don't forget that resorts et al typically belong to international capital. What does the local economy get out of it?
Same goes for any natural resource. Oil, precious metals, water, etc. Globalization feeds this behavior, but that’s a conversation people don’t usually want to have
Most resorts secure favorable tax deals directly from the central governments before they invest, accompanied by public announcements in the media about success of government in attracting international investments.
So no tax the locals. During the construction phase there is some legitimate economy uplift (similar to datacenters). But after that nothing.
"Big money" tends to extort the same sort of tax deals that American sports stadiums get: they get huge tax breaks and while the registers at the stadium look like they're charging sales tax, that money goes directly to the stadium owners, not the government. Sometimes these deals are called "special economic zone".
Tax revenue, local jobs, and the possiblity for entrepreneurs to build businesses around that possibility of tourists leaving the premise.
With all that being said, I still think that overreliance on tourism is bad for a place in principle. Those places fossilize, the wealth of tourists overwhelmes local culture, it will create wrong incentives, draw in junk vendors, pick-pocketers, and AirBnB vultures making life more miserable for the locals. One can also be certain that the local hospitality operators will try to pass the least possible amount to locals by finding even cheaper employees from god knows where.
such a stark contrast with all the hysteria over foreign tourists avoiding the US due to Trump that was posted here a few days ago. "Oh noes Trump is destroying the tourist economy!!!" vs. "only a few maids salary to clean up the tourist's shit"
We happened to be in Borsh beach around a week or so ago, and that will be a tourist wreck in 2 years. Multiple working sites, 70% of the beach already claimed by beds.
Quite laid-back in May / start of June, but I do not want to be there in the high season.
Every time you hear about some corpo or another getting to "play a role in the development of $nation" it's pretty much always going to be some kind of bullshit that will employ a lot of locals for shit wages to provide a product or service to residents of the Global North.
There are exceptions of course but the vast, vast, vast majority are tourist trapping and wealth extraction.
The only people this is relevant to are Albanians. I don't expect an Albanian to know about data centers being built in Texas. Hell, I don't expect Michiganders to know about them.
The T family acts as everyone expected and warned, they are not stopping, and they are even accelerating. I'm not sure what is the conclusion from this.
> Scottish people formed a Tripping Up Trump Campaign to make it more difficult to transfer the title to the land, and hundreds of people bought small interests in Forbes' property and became co-owners.
Continued in another article[1]:
> When it emerged at the end of January 2011 that Queen guitarist Brian May had agreed to the use of the band's song "Bohemian Rhapsody" in a film highlighting the plight of the families, Trump appeared to deny in a media statement that there had ever been an eviction threat, declaring "we have no interest in compulsory purchase and have never applied for it."
This led to the greatest trolling of an individual ever when they deliberately stuck a windfarm directly off the coast of his new golf course. He's spent a couple of decades spending countless millions in losing a bunch of court cases, and of course, to this day, constantly moans to anyone who will list about "windmills".
As far as trolling goes, it's one of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind.
unfortunately this trolling has caused trump to try to halt all large offshore wind projects in the United States in federal land grants. it's terrible.
The evidence so far hints more at Albania’s weak rule of law/property/environmental governance and ugly conflict-of-interest more than Kushner being part of some evil conspiracy.
This island was a Russian naval base in the cold war with hundreds of underground nuclear bunkers.
Kushner apparently wants to build a billionaire resort with the protections required to insulate billionaires from their actions. Maybe UAE is too dangerous now.
Here is another article. Try not to be put off by the Rothchild connections, they are mostly irrelevant and based on Kushner's own statements:
If things ever get bad enough that the wealthy need underground nuclear bunkers, the underground nuclear bunkers aren't going to be enough to protect them. The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
> The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
They will simply arrest you, or worse, just kill you.
> Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
Those cold war bunkers only had one purpose: to keep high ranking government and military peeps alive just long enough (up to 2 weeks or so) to make sure that mutual destruction is actually 'assured'. They were not meant as some sort of cradle of a new civilization or as a safe haven to survive a nuclear war (because there would be no place to return to anyway).
There are 2 projects here. And there is a lot of missing details from both.
But what has happened before is that:
The government gives free/cheap/exclusive public land to someone to build apartments/villas. They sell these to whoever wants to buy before starting construction. At the end of construction, with the profits, they build nice hotels at the frontline and keep for themselves without investing any of their own money in anything.
So they will most likely build apartments in Narta, sell them to the populace, and keep Sazan for themselves as luxury resort.
Something worse than this has started happening for high rises too, where they start selling before getting the permit even. So they don't invest their own money even to get the initial permit to start building.
"Wetlands" is poorly understood by commenters in places like USA because there it's largely used as a bad-faith disingenuous prop by development prohibition interests or those seeking to use regulatory capture against smaller business / small land owners.
Very hard for the general public to gain things though.
It's too luxury, most likely will pay no taxes for years, you can import workers from elsewhere, etc etc.
It's not the first time this kind of thing happens in Albania and we've already seen results.
Normal people will just never be able to go there again. People in power will either get millions or 1+ free apartment/villa, or heavily discounted price (depends on how much power you have).
I was literally kitesurfing when they came and added fences to the road to block access to the beach.
YES! More of this. Such places and people are not for sale. What kind of sickos think they can just see a place and say "I've got money, these know-nothing-barefoot-fools will take our money and let us rape their lands!"?
And on top of that it's Trump kids, yeet them into the sea.
The USA is currently run by oligarchs. They try to buy their way
into other countries via corruption. How much kickback did the
government of Albania get already? It is highly suspicious how
supportive they are of Trump.
Incompetent oligarchs. If you can't even successfully bribe the Albanian or Serbian government, you are just really bad at corruption. Those are (sadly) among the most corrupt countries in the world.
edit: the governments appear to be supportive, but obviously aren't as supportive as they could be. Probably taking the bribe and not doing as much as they could.
This is off topic and I understand we’re not supposed to comment on such things, but was anyone else mystified by the decisions that went into the scroll progress bar up top (on mobile)? It seems to be two part, where part of it would accurately reflect your scroll state, while the other had some weird latency associated with it. And then it ended up hidden behind the top of page blur unless you scrolled very aggressively, to the point where the blur could not keep up.
It works for me. I didn't dismiss the first dickover, but did dismiss the second dickover. Scrolled all the way to the bottom smoothly (minus the pause for the second dickover).
Jared Kushner tried a similar thing in Serbia[0] and failed after a public outrage.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/12/17/serbia-trump...
That Ivanka podcast interview about this island will go down as a masterpiece in tone-deafness. I assume there are already memes of it.
[delayed]
Oh, 'highlights'?
His kind are like alien vampire squids that in sci-fi books/movies descend from space to harvest earth's resources and terraform the planet for their parasitic use, as famously described in The War of the Worlds.
Epstein island 2.0 is required in order to fill the pipeline of depraved and pliable, corrupted power puppets.
> His kind are like alien vampire squids
More squid than vampire imho, he probably suffers from the same genetic degeneracy as Zuck by the look of it, these fucking ghouls barely resemble humans and day after day prove they should not be treated as such
KMFDMs latest album cover is spot on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_(KMFDM_album)
(Judging from the lyrics, there’s a reason they went with orange.)
Omg I didn't realize they still put out albums
It's the Innsmouth look.
vampire squid (Vampyroteuthis infernalis, lit. 'vampire squid from hell') is actually a thing.
Is this meant to be an anti-Jewish remark? Or just eugenicist more generally
Mostly anti parasitic, all shared common traits between all the sociopaths in charge of big companies/institutions not my problem, it's a good line of defense I admit, but I fear it works less and less since people see through the bs more easily these days.
You may want to pick a broader range of samples for your examples then, since both Zuck and Kushner being Jewish and you choosing those two names specifically...
Concerns can be raised.
They want to upstage Putin's Black Sea palace in a place where they can bribe their way out of extradition.
This kind of talk used to be a lot more common in our grandparents' time. It's sad to see the best and the brightest of our times going back to it.
Your point is that the rhetoric of the late 1800s running into WWII was, by far, the worst thing that happened during that time period, just like now?
I emphatically disagree.
However, there was widespread vilification of cephalopods on all sides of multiple wars during that time period:
https://neverwasmag.com/2017/08/the-octopus-in-political-car...
(To be clear, I don’t hate any sea creatures.)
Our grandparents were right, and right to say this.
I think parent poster is implying that the language is directed at or about Kushner's Jewish ethnicity.
Which I don't think is the intent of anybody in this thread. We're just talking about them being privileged and rich.
I do think it's important to avoid accidental or deliberate anti-Semitism when talking here though. Epstein and Kushner being Jewish has zero to do with their vileness, but for a segment of the population it's all too easy to unconsciously (or worse, consciously) make a linkage between old vile anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Rothschilds or whatever.
lmao, every. single. time.
Criticise a jewish person for something completely unrelated: infinite amount of green accounts created on the spot come in and start vaguely referencing "ThE DaRkEsT TiMe In HiStOrY".
It would indeed be surprising to hear people say this if you completely ignore the words and actions of the Epstein class and the overwhelming amount of pain and suffering they afflict on everyone else.
The rich are getting too openly greedy and complacent again, they're slowly forgetting about history, can't wait to see how it pans out in the next decades.
https://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article1196
Which is ironic because Rae Kushner - his grandmother - is a legend. She has gone through some things.
Now her grandson is wrecking Europe.
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/04/560224531/trump-stories-kushn...
Would you elaborate why she's considered a legend?
She was certainly a victim and a refugee, of which we have many today, most being denied admission to the US. Are those all legends too?
Never heard of her. His father, the tax evading felon recently pardoned by Trump, is rather more well known I would think. (But hardly a legend)
Present America is real estate developers all the way down.
Real estate, Crypto and AI make up the 3 legged stool of US investment (from my perspective).
In my area which is over 1/3 retired people this is where the majority of their investments seem to lie. Those who are simply relying on 401k or other investments are also at risk due to the lack of diversification. Since their investments are tied to those 3 things.
If any of the legs of the stool go out...the whole thing goes down.
Wait till you see the housing market in other Anglo countries.
All the great art should teach us that we can't take reaches to the grave, it's too bad that this is being forgotten.
Then again, may be they already figured out how to make their lives meaningfully longer. I often think what drives 80 year old Bidens and Trumps to live the stressful POTUS life.
And I can think of only one incentive. Weird thoughts, but otherwise the dots just don't connect.
Different people are driven by different things. Some people genuinely want to serve their nation and being a president is a huge honor to the family. You become part of history.
Others may be serving their own interests as it gives them access to all information.
Others may just want the power.
Half of Albania is butchered like this, beaches and green being destroyed to make resorts for the tourists to come. Go see Dermi or Vuno and then go see Borsh how clean it is, with no excavations at all or resorts being build.
Don't forget that resorts et al typically belong to international capital, and the tourists rarely leave the premises.
So what does the local economy get out of it? A few maids salary to clean up the tourist's shit?
> Don't forget that resorts et al typically belong to international capital. What does the local economy get out of it?
Same goes for any natural resource. Oil, precious metals, water, etc. Globalization feeds this behavior, but that’s a conversation people don’t usually want to have
what about tax revenue ?
Most resorts secure favorable tax deals directly from the central governments before they invest, accompanied by public announcements in the media about success of government in attracting international investments.
So no tax the locals. During the construction phase there is some legitimate economy uplift (similar to datacenters). But after that nothing.
"Big money" tends to extort the same sort of tax deals that American sports stadiums get: they get huge tax breaks and while the registers at the stadium look like they're charging sales tax, that money goes directly to the stadium owners, not the government. Sometimes these deals are called "special economic zone".
Tax revenue, local jobs, and the possiblity for entrepreneurs to build businesses around that possibility of tourists leaving the premise.
With all that being said, I still think that overreliance on tourism is bad for a place in principle. Those places fossilize, the wealth of tourists overwhelmes local culture, it will create wrong incentives, draw in junk vendors, pick-pocketers, and AirBnB vultures making life more miserable for the locals. One can also be certain that the local hospitality operators will try to pass the least possible amount to locals by finding even cheaper employees from god knows where.
such a stark contrast with all the hysteria over foreign tourists avoiding the US due to Trump that was posted here a few days ago. "Oh noes Trump is destroying the tourist economy!!!" vs. "only a few maids salary to clean up the tourist's shit"
We happened to be in Borsh beach around a week or so ago, and that will be a tourist wreck in 2 years. Multiple working sites, 70% of the beach already claimed by beds.
Quite laid-back in May / start of June, but I do not want to be there in the high season.
Same in Greece. Right off the coast of Albania, Corfu is seeing heavy development as well.
#1 on the frontpage, and people say this site isn’t social media
It's becoming more like Reddit, that's for sure
Wow what an insightful comment we haven’t heard repeated for over a decade here.
how do you define social media?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48446007
I wonder how many more things like this are happening under the radar around the world
The article says: "If it was not Jared, they would not give a shit about what is happening in Albania," Rama said."
Every time you hear about some corpo or another getting to "play a role in the development of $nation" it's pretty much always going to be some kind of bullshit that will employ a lot of locals for shit wages to provide a product or service to residents of the Global North.
There are exceptions of course but the vast, vast, vast majority are tourist trapping and wealth extraction.
This is hardly under the radar, it’s all over the news.
They mean an attempt like this, but one that they manage to keep quiet and out of the press.
I wonder, if I asked the next dozen people I meet, whether they would have any idea about this.
The only people this is relevant to are Albanians. I don't expect an Albanian to know about data centers being built in Texas. Hell, I don't expect Michiganders to know about them.
It is just Russia trying to undermine US president! We seen this type of protests several times!
It’s crazy that the US is now run by these clowns out to enrich themselves
Crazy how if I point out Democrats doing it I will get downvoted
I thought Albania still had concrete bunkers around the coast to keep unwanted invaders OUT.
The T family acts as everyone expected and warned, they are not stopping, and they are even accelerating. I'm not sure what is the conclusion from this.
Silver lining - It's not oil/gas extraction or mining.
Trump is gonna put tariffs on Albania very soon
Somewhat higher stakes version of the Trump Aberdeen golf course:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-she...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Forbes_(farmer)
Wow! I especially like this:
> Scottish people formed a Tripping Up Trump Campaign to make it more difficult to transfer the title to the land, and hundreds of people bought small interests in Forbes' property and became co-owners.
Continued in another article[1]:
> When it emerged at the end of January 2011 that Queen guitarist Brian May had agreed to the use of the band's song "Bohemian Rhapsody" in a film highlighting the plight of the families, Trump appeared to deny in a media statement that there had ever been an eviction threat, declaring "we have no interest in compulsory purchase and have never applied for it."
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Golf_Links...
For the gory details, see
1. Donald Trump's Ego Trip - lessons for the new Scotland (2011) https://andywightman.scot/docs/trumpreport_v1a.pdf
2. You've Been Trumped (2011) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6efmndvps
This led to the greatest trolling of an individual ever when they deliberately stuck a windfarm directly off the coast of his new golf course. He's spent a couple of decades spending countless millions in losing a bunch of court cases, and of course, to this day, constantly moans to anyone who will list about "windmills".
As far as trolling goes, it's one of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind.
unfortunately this trolling has caused trump to try to halt all large offshore wind projects in the United States in federal land grants. it's terrible.
Yep absolutely this and not at all big oil money/interest.
Why not both?
What would be doubly ironic is if the gold course windmill farm was sponsored by big oil.
The evidence so far hints more at Albania’s weak rule of law/property/environmental governance and ugly conflict-of-interest more than Kushner being part of some evil conspiracy.
This island was a Russian naval base in the cold war with hundreds of underground nuclear bunkers.
Kushner apparently wants to build a billionaire resort with the protections required to insulate billionaires from their actions. Maybe UAE is too dangerous now.
Here is another article. Try not to be put off by the Rothchild connections, they are mostly irrelevant and based on Kushner's own statements:
https://tomselliott.substack.com/p/what-is-jared-kushner-act...
If things ever get bad enough that the wealthy need underground nuclear bunkers, the underground nuclear bunkers aren't going to be enough to protect them. The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
> The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
They will simply arrest you, or worse, just kill you.
What’s your solution to that?
> Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
Those cold war bunkers only had one purpose: to keep high ranking government and military peeps alive just long enough (up to 2 weeks or so) to make sure that mutual destruction is actually 'assured'. They were not meant as some sort of cradle of a new civilization or as a safe haven to survive a nuclear war (because there would be no place to return to anyway).
Have you thought this through fully? In that case who'se supposed to be doing the arresting and killing? -- more ordinary people.
Look at what happened to Ceaușescu for example. He went from being confident in his rule to dead 24 hours later.
Robots. That's why they're obsessed with AI and robotics.
What about drones though
Buster-style microwave backpacks
automated war machines are plenty to stop an angry mob imo.
Now imagine an angry mob with automated war machines
Why do you think they're trying to regulate 3D printers and CNC machines all of a sudden?
For that matter, what did you think gun control was for, exactly?
Maybe in some dystopian future. But right now there are still plenty of humans in the loop for supporting those machines.
Yeah like the elites would have any clue how they operate, like any tech.
The Mexican cartels have kidnapped people and forced them to build telephony infra for them.
A billionaire resort with 10,000 hotel rooms...
It looks like Thiel is betting on Argentina.
That would explain why Milei got so much US money already. I wonder when the people in Argentina wake up and realise this is a problem.
Argentina has been a mess for decades.
as the custom goes, since 1945.
Are we sure they're not just negotiating over the price?
Yes. The whole bought media, party in-power, the opposition are against the protests and are trying to downplay them.
Source: I live there. It's very easy to tell if you do.
Is the project more of a private residence or something that would bring tourism to the local economy?
There are 2 projects here. And there is a lot of missing details from both.
But what has happened before is that:
The government gives free/cheap/exclusive public land to someone to build apartments/villas. They sell these to whoever wants to buy before starting construction. At the end of construction, with the profits, they build nice hotels at the frontline and keep for themselves without investing any of their own money in anything.
So they will most likely build apartments in Narta, sell them to the populace, and keep Sazan for themselves as luxury resort.
Something worse than this has started happening for high rises too, where they start selling before getting the permit even. So they don't invest their own money even to get the initial permit to start building.
So... it's like a kickstarter for real estate!
I'll take your word for it! But I reflexively add "... at this price" to such statements.
People really don't get the idea of intangible cultural heritage and irreplaceable wetlands, do they? Not everything and everyone is for sale.
"Wetlands" is poorly understood by commenters in places like USA because there it's largely used as a bad-faith disingenuous prop by development prohibition interests or those seeking to use regulatory capture against smaller business / small land owners.
This isn't the Albanian people's first rodeo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Albanian_civil_unrest
What do the locals have from a higher price?
Stop the financialisation of everything.
(Or if you prefer because you are unable to compute that, the price is upfront $70,000 trillion (2025 prices) - cash only)
Protests by the masses and business negotiations are very different.
Very hard for the general public to gain things though.
It's too luxury, most likely will pay no taxes for years, you can import workers from elsewhere, etc etc.
It's not the first time this kind of thing happens in Albania and we've already seen results.
Normal people will just never be able to go there again. People in power will either get millions or 1+ free apartment/villa, or heavily discounted price (depends on how much power you have).
I was literally kitesurfing when they came and added fences to the road to block access to the beach.
Some of the messaging around this by the people trying to build this out is so tone deaf. I think they know and that's why they're building bunkers.
Which is actually pretty shortsighted.
What if we just made a strong middle class? Made sure they had a LOT more money? Then they could just buy more stuff and services.
These poor billionaires are just trying to make ends meet like any of us.
Weird flagging in this submission. Pointing out that billionaires build nuclear bunkers is not allowed even though it is public knowledge.
YES! More of this. Such places and people are not for sale. What kind of sickos think they can just see a place and say "I've got money, these know-nothing-barefoot-fools will take our money and let us rape their lands!"?
And on top of that it's Trump kids, yeet them into the sea.
The USA is currently run by oligarchs. They try to buy their way into other countries via corruption. How much kickback did the government of Albania get already? It is highly suspicious how supportive they are of Trump.
You can be sure they are getting paid off. It's sickening.
In the past the wealthy families would fund building churches, hospitals, housing for poor.
Nowadays' oligarchs aren't that kind.
Incompetent oligarchs. If you can't even successfully bribe the Albanian or Serbian government, you are just really bad at corruption. Those are (sadly) among the most corrupt countries in the world.
edit: the governments appear to be supportive, but obviously aren't as supportive as they could be. Probably taking the bribe and not doing as much as they could.
When Trump was running for the first time, the prime minister was extremely against Trump and even ridiculed him publicly on interviews "shame of our civilization" https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/13/albanian-prime-minister...
Which backfired after Trump won twice in US. But it's just business.
This is off topic and I understand we’re not supposed to comment on such things, but was anyone else mystified by the decisions that went into the scroll progress bar up top (on mobile)? It seems to be two part, where part of it would accurately reflect your scroll state, while the other had some weird latency associated with it. And then it ended up hidden behind the top of page blur unless you scrolled very aggressively, to the point where the blur could not keep up.
It works for me. I didn't dismiss the first dickover, but did dismiss the second dickover. Scrolled all the way to the bottom smoothly (minus the pause for the second dickover).