1. Yes, vitamin D actually controls a lot of bodily functions it’s very easily set aside as not a “main” factor when in reality it actually controls a lot
2. This study was done on women in Denmark only which isn’t a great study subject considering Denmark doesn’t get a lot of sun to begin with so most of these women would already start at very low levels
3. This doesn’t directly correlate to women of color because WOC need higher dosage of vitamin D than white women do. The general range of “good” level of vitamin D that doctors tend to use is related to studies results gotten from white people when in reality brown and black people need way more for their range to be at a normal place.
I'm not sure if there are any research showcasing the effects humanity has had in general due to low sun exposure. From all the benefits of Vitamin D and the recent human behavorial shift leading to low sun exposure (car travel, air conditioning, sunscreens even), there are bound to be new biological or psychological changes humanity is experiencing for the first time.
One study found a difference in mortality between the max-sun-exposure and min-sun-exposure cohorts: the second was twofold higher, which is comparable to the effect of cigarette smoking. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24697969/ . I.e. avoiding sun exposure completely is as harmful as smoking cigarettes.
I've wondered for a while if the apparently higher cognitive performance and resulting societal wealth at higher latitudes might be some kind of second order side effect from long-term selection for lower sun exposure. We already know this vitamin D is almost certainly why Northern peoples evolved lighter skin.
(I realize this is a frought topic, so please hold the race science bullcrap replies or the over-reactions in the other direction. I am not a believer in hard biological determinism or "race science," but I also don't dismiss the existence of variations. As with everything else in population genetics and biology, any variations that do exist probably have more than one cause.)
If there's any truth to this, it might be further compounded as people with darker skin spend more time indoors in the modern world. If you have darker skin you need, as far as I know, more sun to make vitamin D, which normally is not a problem if you're outdoors near the equator.
I'm perhaps missing something but if there were a significant connection, wouldn't this mean those in sunnier climates would have better verbal and visual memory?
If there were a connection then I would wager that there are more significant factors, since I have seen or heard of no evidence to assume those in sunnier climates have better verbal and visual memory.
The results of this study seem to show no significant correlation, anyhow.
Tangentially, with ai tools available, post hoc secondary analysis of studies (like this) has to be insanely easier to run through. Are there are companies/individuals focused on this specifically? Obviously most labs are doing some of this but I’m curious if there are broader analysis being done
tbh I'd expect the opposite - inherent bias / regression to the current norm comes through quite consistently when they're used to summarize stuff, and that'll badly taint science using it.
Based on how many tests they did and the confidence intervals they got it's associated with fuck all. Doing lots of tests and then pointing to the few where the lower bound of the effect size was marginally above 0 proves very little.
At any rate their main marker for intelligence showed an impressive p=90%, so whatever cognitive effects were present they've not made them any smarter (at 10).
I guess I don't understand why this study is suddenly getting attention when these kinds of trials have been going on for years. This one doesn't seem to have a particularly strong methodology or particularly unusual findings. It's just another page in a very, very long record of evidence about vitamin D, and by no means settles any major controversy.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about lately. The modern knowledge-worker lifestyle is practically an experiment in extreme sun deprivation. We optimize our indoor spaces with perfect AC, ergonomic setups, and even custom ambient noise apps just to stay locked in a room for 10 hours a day doing deep work.
It makes you wonder how much of what we accept as "normal" afternoon brain fog or tech burnout is actually just our biology reacting to this massive behavioral shift and lack of natural light.
We also evolved to have activity levels that vary a lot more. A neolithic human wouldn't have done 8 hours straight of labor, or slept 8 straight hours at night. A few naps throughout the day would have been common, and sleep was often split in half as well.
It's one huge perk of working from home. Lying down for 20 minutes makes the rest of the day much more pleasant and productive.
Check the CO2 levels in your office. They can get ridiculously high indoors when humans gather in the same room. It's not dangerous, but it makes people tired, they stop taking initiative, and less creative.
Myopia is one that comes to mind, with data suggesting that low exposure to natural sunlight contributes. Though in my case, I played outside a lot as a kid and I still have terrible eyesight.
It is not about sunlight or UV. And it is not "just genetics".
The natural rest position of the human eye is to focus at the infinite.
Focusing on closer objects like books or screens requires a constant effort (we don't feel it).
The eye simply adapts and elongate to relieve some of the strain. Wearing corrective lenses further amplify the process.
If you want your kids to have perfect vision they should spend a lot of time playing outside, until early adulthood.
That's not recent knowledge worker problem. It started with industrial revolution and working 16 hours work days on a dark factory floor. What about Bedouins and other desert dwelling people? They had been trying to reduce sun exposure with complete body skin cover for millenias, it must have been some benefit for that.
And what about skin cancer rates, it is probably reduced due to low sun exposure.
I have thoughts on this
1. Yes, vitamin D actually controls a lot of bodily functions it’s very easily set aside as not a “main” factor when in reality it actually controls a lot
2. This study was done on women in Denmark only which isn’t a great study subject considering Denmark doesn’t get a lot of sun to begin with so most of these women would already start at very low levels
3. This doesn’t directly correlate to women of color because WOC need higher dosage of vitamin D than white women do. The general range of “good” level of vitamin D that doctors tend to use is related to studies results gotten from white people when in reality brown and black people need way more for their range to be at a normal place.
Do they need more vitamin D? I thought they just needed more sun to get the same vitamin D
At these latitudes they just get almost none naturally, that's why you need to supplement more
I'm not sure if there are any research showcasing the effects humanity has had in general due to low sun exposure. From all the benefits of Vitamin D and the recent human behavorial shift leading to low sun exposure (car travel, air conditioning, sunscreens even), there are bound to be new biological or psychological changes humanity is experiencing for the first time.
One study found a difference in mortality between the max-sun-exposure and min-sun-exposure cohorts: the second was twofold higher, which is comparable to the effect of cigarette smoking. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24697969/ . I.e. avoiding sun exposure completely is as harmful as smoking cigarettes.
>car travel, air conditioning, sunscreens even
And even clothing.
I've wondered for a while if the apparently higher cognitive performance and resulting societal wealth at higher latitudes might be some kind of second order side effect from long-term selection for lower sun exposure. We already know this vitamin D is almost certainly why Northern peoples evolved lighter skin.
(I realize this is a frought topic, so please hold the race science bullcrap replies or the over-reactions in the other direction. I am not a believer in hard biological determinism or "race science," but I also don't dismiss the existence of variations. As with everything else in population genetics and biology, any variations that do exist probably have more than one cause.)
If there's any truth to this, it might be further compounded as people with darker skin spend more time indoors in the modern world. If you have darker skin you need, as far as I know, more sun to make vitamin D, which normally is not a problem if you're outdoors near the equator.
Does not explain India where generally the South is more educated and wealthy
I'm perhaps missing something but if there were a significant connection, wouldn't this mean those in sunnier climates would have better verbal and visual memory?
If there were a connection then I would wager that there are more significant factors, since I have seen or heard of no evidence to assume those in sunnier climates have better verbal and visual memory.
The results of this study seem to show no significant correlation, anyhow.
Tangentially, with ai tools available, post hoc secondary analysis of studies (like this) has to be insanely easier to run through. Are there are companies/individuals focused on this specifically? Obviously most labs are doing some of this but I’m curious if there are broader analysis being done
tbh I'd expect the opposite - inherent bias / regression to the current norm comes through quite consistently when they're used to summarize stuff, and that'll badly taint science using it.
high dosage vitamin D in kept me sane (i.e energetic & in the right mood) in the UK where it's usually gloom & drowsy.
Based on how many tests they did and the confidence intervals they got it's associated with fuck all. Doing lots of tests and then pointing to the few where the lower bound of the effect size was marginally above 0 proves very little.
At any rate their main marker for intelligence showed an impressive p=90%, so whatever cognitive effects were present they've not made them any smarter (at 10).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_jelly#Epigenetic_effects
I guess I don't understand why this study is suddenly getting attention when these kinds of trials have been going on for years. This one doesn't seem to have a particularly strong methodology or particularly unusual findings. It's just another page in a very, very long record of evidence about vitamin D, and by no means settles any major controversy.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about lately. The modern knowledge-worker lifestyle is practically an experiment in extreme sun deprivation. We optimize our indoor spaces with perfect AC, ergonomic setups, and even custom ambient noise apps just to stay locked in a room for 10 hours a day doing deep work.
It makes you wonder how much of what we accept as "normal" afternoon brain fog or tech burnout is actually just our biology reacting to this massive behavioral shift and lack of natural light.
We also evolved to have activity levels that vary a lot more. A neolithic human wouldn't have done 8 hours straight of labor, or slept 8 straight hours at night. A few naps throughout the day would have been common, and sleep was often split in half as well.
It's one huge perk of working from home. Lying down for 20 minutes makes the rest of the day much more pleasant and productive.
> afternoon brain fog
Check the CO2 levels in your office. They can get ridiculously high indoors when humans gather in the same room. It's not dangerous, but it makes people tired, they stop taking initiative, and less creative.
Myopia is one that comes to mind, with data suggesting that low exposure to natural sunlight contributes. Though in my case, I played outside a lot as a kid and I still have terrible eyesight.
It is not about sunlight or UV. And it is not "just genetics".
The natural rest position of the human eye is to focus at the infinite. Focusing on closer objects like books or screens requires a constant effort (we don't feel it).
The eye simply adapts and elongate to relieve some of the strain. Wearing corrective lenses further amplify the process.
If you want your kids to have perfect vision they should spend a lot of time playing outside, until early adulthood.
Totally! iirc Germany implemented laws requiring sunlight exposure within offices so workers aren't deprived of it.
That's not recent knowledge worker problem. It started with industrial revolution and working 16 hours work days on a dark factory floor. What about Bedouins and other desert dwelling people? They had been trying to reduce sun exposure with complete body skin cover for millenias, it must have been some benefit for that. And what about skin cancer rates, it is probably reduced due to low sun exposure.
add night time lighting of all kinds..