"Popular electric car recalled due to brake pedal problem" [1]
A problem with a "screw connection" (unclear whether this is a mounting screw or it serves some other purpose) can cause the brake pedal to malfunction.
or, in 2024
Audi Q4 e-tron, Volkswagen ID.3, ID.4, ID.5 and ID.7:
"Dangerous error in popular electric cars: brakes can cease functioning" [2]
It says that the ABS pump could drop off which would cause brake fluid to leak out which in turn causes the brakes to cease functioning.
With the weight of the batteries in back it might be fine. The issue with RWD trucks with traditional drivetrains is the lack of traction owing to all of the weight being over the non-drive wheels. Driving my F-150 in the snow or rain was always dicey because of this.
That being said I wouldn't touch a Tesla with a barge pole for reasons numerous.
I don't see why it would be an issue in most cases. Obviously you'd want AWD for proper off-roading, but for just driving around on streets it should be fine. My EV van is RWD and it's totally fine in everything I've dealt with - including deep snow - and I really only even noticed when trying to parallel park on ice.
This has been a question the Slate team has been trying to answer. They claim the weight distribution being more even front-to-back (batteries offsetting motor, I presume), but I don't know whether I believe them. I was interested in a Slate, but the changes at the company lately (new CEO from McKinsey, rather than an engineer), along with decisions like RWD, and the anemic acceleration (0-60 in 8 seconds) gives me pause.
I’m from Colorado originally. I did a contract in Florida and remember being surprised that you could even buy a truck without 4wd outside of fleet deals. I’d literally never heard of someone buying a personal truck without 4wd growing up.
I say longitude goes longways, which I know isn't accurate except fairly close to the poles, but I remembered it like that when I was a kid and it stuck.
Autotrader says there are 246,000 used trucks for sale nationwide with AWD/4WD and 38,000 with rear wheel drive. For new it’s 429,000 AWD/4WD vs 51,000 for rear wheel.
Volume wise it’s of course Texas with Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota having the largest ownership share.
I probably wouldn't buy a truck, but it's at least a possibility that I'd get one for hauling materials and towing around town. If I did, I'd prefer a RWD model just to save a little money. I find the modern obsession with AWD a bit baffling. AWD doesn't help you stop in bad weather, so it feels like an illusory advantage there. RWD can be "interesting" compared to FWD, but modern traction control on an electric drivetrain should make it a non-issue. (In practice, I can abuse the accelerator on my non-truck RWD Teslas pretty badly without any issues with losing traction.)
Basically never? And I live in a deep rural area 30 minutes from the northern border. Where do you live that you drive through unplowed roads? The only time ive ever wanted AWD or 4WD is once or twice knowingly risking getting stuck by pulling off of people's driveway onto their lawn.
I used to occasionally drive a V8 with no traction control in Wisconsin winters. It was fine, just took a little care. A modern electric drivetrain is about a million times better.
Unpowered wheels still steer just fine. AWD certainly does better. But I'd rather be cautious and take it slow anyway.
I frequently think about this when weather gets bad! I already have AWB (all wheel braking?). Seems like AWD could make it too easy to get in a situation where my AWB isn’t sufficient to stop
I've never driven an AWD, but having a 4x4 in a snow storm is wonderful. Waking up and driving through the pile of snow from the plow to go to wawa before I even think about shoveling is an absolute luxury. Plus, driving on the beach is pretty fun too.
You get better regenerative braking performance out of FWD or AWD. Since typically the front brakes do most of the work, it makes sense to have that energy go into the motor rather than friction braking.
If you're reading this thinking "wow, a recall! tesla must suck at building cars!" then you probably don't know anything about how the automotive industry works and you should refrain from commenting
That I can't tell whether "the wheels coming off," is literal or figurative when it comes to Tesla is an indictment about their product quality at this point.
What a disaster. I don't really know anyone who is voluntarily buying Teslas when there are so many other viable options in an increasingly crowded marketplace.
I see a lot of them on the road so somebody must be buying them.
I don't know why, I buy trucks to haul stuff. (and I really wish there was an affordable truck to haul stuff with - everything I can find is 12+ years old and showing age)
> I see a lot of them on the road so somebody must be buying them.
Two counterpoints: for all the opinionated criticisms, the cybertruck is at least quite noticeable, and thusly you may think that they are a higher proportion of trucks than they really are.
Also, you're far more likely to see them drive around in certain locales due to the cost, so that may introduce additional biases.
They're the new tax fraud vehicle, replacing the Escalade: a luxury vehicle over a certain weight that gets reported as a "business expense" even when it's for personal use. That's also why a lot of them have shitty decals or stencil-paint advertising local businesses.
Specifically, this only affected red-edged premium alloy rims that were OEM made but not installed unless you bought them separately. Not an engineering issue with the vehicle so much as those rims may have had a manufacturing defect in certain batches.
The overly cautious recall announcement was promptly clarified to owners by dealerships, and impacted a small subset. (I have a Civic.)
According to Claude, since 2020, 1.25m+ have been recalled for things that can be summarized as "the wheels might fall off."
1. Tesla Model Y — Nov 2020 (NHTSA 20V-709, ~401 vehicles)
Bolts connecting the front upper control arm to the steering knuckle were not properly tightened; the upper control arm could detach from the knuckle.
2. Ram 3500/4500/5500 — May–Nov 2021 (NHTSA 21V-398, FCA campaigns Y26/Y36/Y60, ~447,985 vehicles, MY 2012–2021)
Owner's/service manuals listed the wrong lug-nut torque spec. Over-torqueing yielded the wheel studs, which could break and cause wheel separation. Multiple owner complaints described wheels actually coming off, including post-recall "passed" inspections.
3. Tesla Model 3 / Model Y — Oct 2021 (NHTSA 21V-835, ~2,791 vehicles, MY 2019–2021 Model 3 / 2020–2021 Model Y)
Front suspension lateral link fasteners not torqued to spec; the lateral link could separate from the subframe.
4. Tesla Model Y — Nov 2021 (NHTSA 21V-912, 826 vehicles, MY 2020–2022)
Front and rear suspension knuckles were under-strength (heat-treat defect) and could fracture, allowing suspension links to separate from the knuckle.
5. Toyota bZ4X / Subaru Solterra — June 2022 (NHTSA 22V-446 plus Subaru equivalent, 258 U.S. bZ4X / ~2,700 bZ4X and ~2,600 Solterra globally)
Hub bolts could loosen after low-mileage use, particularly with sharp turns or hard braking, causing the wheel to detach. Toyota told owners not to drive the vehicles. Fixed by adding washers, redesigned bolts, and improved wheel surface friction.
6. Toyota Tundra / Tundra Hybrid — June 2022 (NHTSA 22V-445, ~46,000 vehicles, MY 2022)
Nuts on the rear axle assembly could loosen; if they came off, the axle subassembly could separate.
7. Ford Bronco / Ranger — April 2023 (NHTSA 23V-283, Ford 23S17, 1,434 vehicles)
Driver-side lug nuts on certain trucks built Feb 9–13, 2023 weren't torqued to spec. Ford received at least one field report of a wheel coming off and contacting another vehicle. Owners were told not to drive until inspected.
8. Toyota Camry / Camry Hybrid — June 2023 (NHTSA 23V-432, Toyota 23TA05, 298 vehicles, MY 2023)
Lug nuts loose at delivery; wheel could detach. Owners told not to drive.
9. Jeep Grand Cherokee / Grand Cherokee L — Feb 2024 (NHTSA 24V-132, Stellantis 10B, 338,238 vehicles, MY 2021–2023 GC L and 2022–2023 GC)
Damaged upper-control-arm pinch bolts could break, causing the UCA ball joint to separate from the steering knuckle and the wheel to fall outboard. Stellantis described it to Consumer Reports as the wheel "comes loose" rather than fully separating.
10. Ford Bronco / Ranger — Oct 2024 (Ford 25S45, 2,416 vehicles, MY 2024–2025 Bronco / 2024 Ranger built June–Sept 2024)
Front upper control arm ball-joint nut missing or improperly tightened; UCA could detach from the knuckle. Triggered by a warranty report on a 2024 Ranger that lost the UCA at 291 miles.
11. Honda Civic accessory wheels — Nov 2025 (NHTSA 25E-071, Honda MMZ, 406,290 vehicles, MY 2016–2021 with 18″ alloy accessory wheels)
Wheels from a Honda Access Europe supplier in Italy were shipped without the steel lug-seat inserts pressed in. Without the insert the aluminum deforms, lug nuts loosen, and the wheel can detach.
It's worth noting that crack formation is affected by more than just the design - variation in material and manufacturing steps could also contribute. A more robust design can potentially compensate for material or process variability, but those variables were likely not known nor knowable during the design stage. We should not boo companies for acknowledging and correcting issues which may not have been reasonably foreseeable.
> those variables were likely not known nor knowable during the design stage.
But they could have included an error factor in the designing process. I thought this was standard for manufacturing. And they could have done more robust testing which, again, I thought was pretty standard for manufacturing.
Lest folks get too carried away, the headline is a lie. The failure is "brake rotor stud separating from wheel hub". Now, sure, that's a serious failure. It's not "wh33lz f411 oFF!".
Everything about this company is cursed at this point. The jeering masses are just as bad as the CEO.
The cars themselves though continue to be really pretty great. Though maybe not the truck.
I'm actually really confused about the language used in the recall; I looked at the Cybertruck manual and the brakes look like a "conventional" design where the studs are set into the hub and go through the rotor, so this failure seems somewhat unrelated to the brake rotors, and the "brake rotor stud" is also the wheel stud: https://service.tesla.com/docs/Cybertruck/ServiceManual/en-u...
I'm assuming it's a misphrasing or typo and the issue is that the stud holes in the wheel hub rotor can elongate, leading to the studs coming out. This can and likely would absolutely cascade into a wheel falling off; I've seen it many times in cheapo endurance racing series - one one stud is loose, the adjacent studs gradually loosen and eventually the wheel separates. If the issue is longitudinal (slotting) it's even more likely to lead to a rapid separation event.
I have a 2022 Rivian and I don't remember any recalls for brake rotors or wheels falling off. There was one about a year after they made the first R1T where they had forgotten to record the torque of a bolt for the upper control arm during assembly, but the recall just involved having the torque checked, they didn't have to replace anything. Is that the recall you're thinking of?
They told everyone who owned a rivian at that time to stop driving it immediately until the guy could come out and put the wheels back on. That is a recall.
The design used to be futuristic-novel. But novelty passes - it now looks like a car pressed to pieces in a shredder. And it is very expensive. But most importantly, after Elon did his right-arm raise gesture twice, even aside from mass-firing people at DOGE or elsewhere ... does anyone still want to give more money to a very strange oligarch, who uses money to buy more influence and opinions here? Or buys a platform to turn it into a propaganda amplifier for his strange remarks about race and ethnicity?
Cheap ass studs, not surprised. Don’t tow with a cybertruck either, you can literally total it by ripping the frame out with the hitch.
It’s the most poorly engineered “truck” there is. Can’t tow. Can’t haul (stupid bed design). It’s just a glorified pavement machine.
What sort of engineering standards are these Cybertrucks built to?
Oh, very rigorous engineering standards. The wheels aren't supposed to fall off for a start.
Can’t be made out of cardboard either.
The Front Fell Off: https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?si=DprOulmmDK-H76LX
I saw the title of the post, and I knew somebody would have referenced it.
We’ve taken it *outside* the environment
Same standards as e.g.
2026
Audi Q8 e-tron:
"Popular electric car recalled due to brake pedal problem" [1]
A problem with a "screw connection" (unclear whether this is a mounting screw or it serves some other purpose) can cause the brake pedal to malfunction.
or, in 2024
Audi Q4 e-tron, Volkswagen ID.3, ID.4, ID.5 and ID.7:
"Dangerous error in popular electric cars: brakes can cease functioning" [2]
It says that the ABS pump could drop off which would cause brake fluid to leak out which in turn causes the brakes to cease functioning.
[1] https://carup.se/popular-elbil-aterkallas-for-fel-pa-bromspe... (Swedish)
[2] https://nyheter24.se/nyheter/motor/1296418-farliga-felet-i-p... (Swedish)
> Audi Q4 e-tron, Volkswagen ID.3, ID.4, ID.5 and ID.7:
> "Dangerous error in popular electric cars: brakes can cease functioning" [2]
> It says that the ABS pump could drop off
Using a mechanical ABS in an electric car might be part of the problem
As opposed to thoughts and prayers-based ABS?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48064334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
To the ones of people who like to move fast and break things.
The original vibe engineering
And they’ll probably just tow the recalled trucks outside the environment.
Into another environment?
No, no, no. it’s been towed beyond the environment, it’s not in the environment
It looks like they were designed by a disruptive startup unburdened by the history and experience of designing and building cars.
‘We threw the rule book out of the window’
Also worked very well for the Oceangate Titan submersible.
> “brake rotor stud holes may crack and allow the stud to separate from the wheel hub.”
Possible
While mechanical failures can happen in all companies, that do sounds like an inexperienced design (maybe from Tesla, maybe from a partner?)
A 23 year old startup.
> What sort of engineering standards are these Cybertrucks built to?
'Vibe-Engineering'
"All 173 of the RWD Cybertrucks sold by Tesla are being recalled"
173...
The RWD model was only for sale briefly after launch. I don't know why you would ever want a pure RWD electric truck
With the weight of the batteries in back it might be fine. The issue with RWD trucks with traditional drivetrains is the lack of traction owing to all of the weight being over the non-drive wheels. Driving my F-150 in the snow or rain was always dicey because of this.
That being said I wouldn't touch a Tesla with a barge pole for reasons numerous.
I don't see why it would be an issue in most cases. Obviously you'd want AWD for proper off-roading, but for just driving around on streets it should be fine. My EV van is RWD and it's totally fine in everything I've dealt with - including deep snow - and I really only even noticed when trying to parallel park on ice.
This has been a question the Slate team has been trying to answer. They claim the weight distribution being more even front-to-back (batteries offsetting motor, I presume), but I don't know whether I believe them. I was interested in a Slate, but the changes at the company lately (new CEO from McKinsey, rather than an engineer), along with decisions like RWD, and the anemic acceleration (0-60 in 8 seconds) gives me pause.
Wait until you find out how many gas and diesel powered trucks are RWD!
At least in the U.S. below a certain ~longitude~ latitude it's quite common.
I’m from Colorado originally. I did a contract in Florida and remember being surprised that you could even buy a truck without 4wd outside of fleet deals. I’d literally never heard of someone buying a personal truck without 4wd growing up.
Easier mnemonic:
Lots of wines advertise their latitude of origin
Longitudes are meaningless for wines
I KNEW I was going to get that wrong.
The mnemonic i use is latitude is flat.
Latitude is the only one that matters between the two.
I say longitude goes longways, which I know isn't accurate except fairly close to the poles, but I remembered it like that when I was a kid and it stuck.
I usually say to myself "ladder" and that helps. But this time I slipped. Rough morning. Wheels fell off on the way to work.
latitude -> flatitude
I was going to ask if you were making a joke or just too tired to spell mnemonic correctly, but they would've been pneumatic, not pneumonic.
Edit: oh, boo, you fixed it.
Hadn’t had the morning coffee yet.
I hate to admit it, but the Corona "Change your Latitude" ads are what locked it in for me.
Autotrader says there are 246,000 used trucks for sale nationwide with AWD/4WD and 38,000 with rear wheel drive. For new it’s 429,000 AWD/4WD vs 51,000 for rear wheel.
Volume wise it’s of course Texas with Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota having the largest ownership share.
Collectors item
I probably wouldn't buy a truck, but it's at least a possibility that I'd get one for hauling materials and towing around town. If I did, I'd prefer a RWD model just to save a little money. I find the modern obsession with AWD a bit baffling. AWD doesn't help you stop in bad weather, so it feels like an illusory advantage there. RWD can be "interesting" compared to FWD, but modern traction control on an electric drivetrain should make it a non-issue. (In practice, I can abuse the accelerator on my non-truck RWD Teslas pretty badly without any issues with losing traction.)
When was the last time you drove on an unplowed road with only rear wheel drive?
Unpowered wheels become uni-directional skis, regardless of their ability to turn left and right.
Basically never? And I live in a deep rural area 30 minutes from the northern border. Where do you live that you drive through unplowed roads? The only time ive ever wanted AWD or 4WD is once or twice knowingly risking getting stuck by pulling off of people's driveway onto their lawn.
A few months ago when it snowed last time.
I used to occasionally drive a V8 with no traction control in Wisconsin winters. It was fine, just took a little care. A modern electric drivetrain is about a million times better.
Unpowered wheels still steer just fine. AWD certainly does better. But I'd rather be cautious and take it slow anyway.
> AWD doesn't help you stop in bad weather
I frequently think about this when weather gets bad! I already have AWB (all wheel braking?). Seems like AWD could make it too easy to get in a situation where my AWB isn’t sufficient to stop
I've never driven an AWD, but having a 4x4 in a snow storm is wonderful. Waking up and driving through the pile of snow from the plow to go to wawa before I even think about shoveling is an absolute luxury. Plus, driving on the beach is pretty fun too.
You get better regenerative braking performance out of FWD or AWD. Since typically the front brakes do most of the work, it makes sense to have that energy go into the motor rather than friction braking.
That's true, but if you stay in the regenerative zone it doesn't (seem to) make that much of a difference in practice.
All the braking power happens in the rear if you only brake the rear wheels
I didn't even realize there was a RWD model. The website shows 3 options for sale and they are all AWD.
If you're reading this thinking "wow, a recall! tesla must suck at building cars!" then you probably don't know anything about how the automotive industry works and you should refrain from commenting
3 verified failures out of 173 total cars is an extremely bad rate for the automotive industry.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48064334
Its not about the recall. Every car manufacturer has many per model. Its about the wheels about to fall off
Stop being mean to the poor car company worth 1.6 trillion dollars, they're doing their best. :(
Do you think these cars are well engineered and reliable?!
Gift link: https://www.theverge.com/transportation/926741/tesla-cybertr...
Thank you
That I can't tell whether "the wheels coming off," is literal or figurative when it comes to Tesla is an indictment about their product quality at this point.
What a disaster. I don't really know anyone who is voluntarily buying Teslas when there are so many other viable options in an increasingly crowded marketplace.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48064334
I see a lot of them on the road so somebody must be buying them.
I don't know why, I buy trucks to haul stuff. (and I really wish there was an affordable truck to haul stuff with - everything I can find is 12+ years old and showing age)
> I see a lot of them on the road so somebody must be buying them.
Two counterpoints: for all the opinionated criticisms, the cybertruck is at least quite noticeable, and thusly you may think that they are a higher proportion of trucks than they really are.
Also, you're far more likely to see them drive around in certain locales due to the cost, so that may introduce additional biases.
They're the new tax fraud vehicle, replacing the Escalade: a luxury vehicle over a certain weight that gets reported as a "business expense" even when it's for personal use. That's also why a lot of them have shitty decals or stencil-paint advertising local businesses.
From the article
> but it’s “not aware of any collisions, fatalities, or injuries” related to the recall.
I don't understand the problem, my new car had like 8 recalls in 2 years for problems that might happen, it's just normal
Your car had a recall because the wheels might fall off? Which one?
406,000 Civics were recalled
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/honda-...
Specifically, this only affected red-edged premium alloy rims that were OEM made but not installed unless you bought them separately. Not an engineering issue with the vehicle so much as those rims may have had a manufacturing defect in certain batches.
The overly cautious recall announcement was promptly clarified to owners by dealerships, and impacted a small subset. (I have a Civic.)
According to Claude, since 2020, 1.25m+ have been recalled for things that can be summarized as "the wheels might fall off."
1. Tesla Model Y — Nov 2020 (NHTSA 20V-709, ~401 vehicles) Bolts connecting the front upper control arm to the steering knuckle were not properly tightened; the upper control arm could detach from the knuckle.
2. Ram 3500/4500/5500 — May–Nov 2021 (NHTSA 21V-398, FCA campaigns Y26/Y36/Y60, ~447,985 vehicles, MY 2012–2021) Owner's/service manuals listed the wrong lug-nut torque spec. Over-torqueing yielded the wheel studs, which could break and cause wheel separation. Multiple owner complaints described wheels actually coming off, including post-recall "passed" inspections.
3. Tesla Model 3 / Model Y — Oct 2021 (NHTSA 21V-835, ~2,791 vehicles, MY 2019–2021 Model 3 / 2020–2021 Model Y) Front suspension lateral link fasteners not torqued to spec; the lateral link could separate from the subframe.
4. Tesla Model Y — Nov 2021 (NHTSA 21V-912, 826 vehicles, MY 2020–2022) Front and rear suspension knuckles were under-strength (heat-treat defect) and could fracture, allowing suspension links to separate from the knuckle.
5. Toyota bZ4X / Subaru Solterra — June 2022 (NHTSA 22V-446 plus Subaru equivalent, 258 U.S. bZ4X / ~2,700 bZ4X and ~2,600 Solterra globally) Hub bolts could loosen after low-mileage use, particularly with sharp turns or hard braking, causing the wheel to detach. Toyota told owners not to drive the vehicles. Fixed by adding washers, redesigned bolts, and improved wheel surface friction.
6. Toyota Tundra / Tundra Hybrid — June 2022 (NHTSA 22V-445, ~46,000 vehicles, MY 2022) Nuts on the rear axle assembly could loosen; if they came off, the axle subassembly could separate.
7. Ford Bronco / Ranger — April 2023 (NHTSA 23V-283, Ford 23S17, 1,434 vehicles) Driver-side lug nuts on certain trucks built Feb 9–13, 2023 weren't torqued to spec. Ford received at least one field report of a wheel coming off and contacting another vehicle. Owners were told not to drive until inspected.
8. Toyota Camry / Camry Hybrid — June 2023 (NHTSA 23V-432, Toyota 23TA05, 298 vehicles, MY 2023) Lug nuts loose at delivery; wheel could detach. Owners told not to drive.
9. Jeep Grand Cherokee / Grand Cherokee L — Feb 2024 (NHTSA 24V-132, Stellantis 10B, 338,238 vehicles, MY 2021–2023 GC L and 2022–2023 GC) Damaged upper-control-arm pinch bolts could break, causing the UCA ball joint to separate from the steering knuckle and the wheel to fall outboard. Stellantis described it to Consumer Reports as the wheel "comes loose" rather than fully separating.
10. Ford Bronco / Ranger — Oct 2024 (Ford 25S45, 2,416 vehicles, MY 2024–2025 Bronco / 2024 Ranger built June–Sept 2024) Front upper control arm ball-joint nut missing or improperly tightened; UCA could detach from the knuckle. Triggered by a warranty report on a 2024 Ranger that lost the UCA at 291 miles.
11. Honda Civic accessory wheels — Nov 2025 (NHTSA 25E-071, Honda MMZ, 406,290 vehicles, MY 2016–2021 with 18″ alloy accessory wheels) Wheels from a Honda Access Europe supplier in Italy were shipped without the steel lug-seat inserts pressed in. Without the insert the aluminum deforms, lug nuts loosen, and the wheel can detach.
> According to Claude
Please don't do this.
Quote an authoritative source. Not some AI bot known for ~~hallucinating~~ bullshitting.
Fully self driving wheels! People have been waiting for this feature.
It's worth noting that crack formation is affected by more than just the design - variation in material and manufacturing steps could also contribute. A more robust design can potentially compensate for material or process variability, but those variables were likely not known nor knowable during the design stage. We should not boo companies for acknowledging and correcting issues which may not have been reasonably foreseeable.
> those variables were likely not known nor knowable during the design stage.
But they could have included an error factor in the designing process. I thought this was standard for manufacturing. And they could have done more robust testing which, again, I thought was pretty standard for manufacturing.
Why should they do anything correctly? The stock trades at 400 PE. The market is telling them to keep doing whatever is they are doing.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/
Lest folks get too carried away, the headline is a lie. The failure is "brake rotor stud separating from wheel hub". Now, sure, that's a serious failure. It's not "wh33lz f411 oFF!".
Everything about this company is cursed at this point. The jeering masses are just as bad as the CEO.
The cars themselves though continue to be really pretty great. Though maybe not the truck.
I'm actually really confused about the language used in the recall; I looked at the Cybertruck manual and the brakes look like a "conventional" design where the studs are set into the hub and go through the rotor, so this failure seems somewhat unrelated to the brake rotors, and the "brake rotor stud" is also the wheel stud: https://service.tesla.com/docs/Cybertruck/ServiceManual/en-u...
I'm assuming it's a misphrasing or typo and the issue is that the stud holes in the wheel hub rotor can elongate, leading to the studs coming out. This can and likely would absolutely cascade into a wheel falling off; I've seen it many times in cheapo endurance racing series - one one stud is loose, the adjacent studs gradually loosen and eventually the wheel separates. If the issue is longitudinal (slotting) it's even more likely to lead to a rapid separation event.
The masses may be annoying, and even sometimes hyperbolic, but they are nowhere near as bad as the CEO
Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
They're replacing both front and rear rotors. Is there a reason the rears are different than the AWD models?
173 cars are being recalled. The Verge always tries to make anything remotely involving Musk sound as bad as possible.
No problem, that'll buff right out
Jeez, "wheels not falling off car" has been a solved problem since at least the 1965 Corvair.
Please tell me they had the wheels studs mounted into a steel hub, and not aluminum…
Yes and yes
Sorry, but every time I read news about the Cybertruck I have to think of the Simpsons Canyonero song:
Can you name the truck that's been recalled twelve times, Costs less each month 'cause nobody's buying mine?
Cybertruck! Cybertruck!
(Whip crack!)
Her trim falls off when you drive through rain, The steering locks up on the highway lane!
Cybertruck! Cybertruck!
Top of the line in utility trucks! Started at a hundred, now they're slashing bucks!
She's got a price that drops faster than her resale value, And a windshield wiper motor that'll surely fail you!
Cybertruck! Cybertruck!
(Whip crack!)
Twelve recalls in a single year! Drive-by-wire that fills your heart with fear!
The accelerator pedal pops right off the floor, But Elon says it's you who doesn't love her more!
Cybertruck!
She rusts if you look at her wrong in the dew, The tonneau cover works... for a week or two!
She's marked down like a Kmart blue-light special now, A stainless steel disaster and a broken vow!
Cybertruck! Cybertruck!
(Whip crack!)
Whoaaa, Cybertruck!
CYBERTRUCK!
This is amazing. I don't know if you stole it or you're a poetic genius, but rest assured that I'm stealing it.
> the Simpsons
I know the Canyonero bit, but repurposing it to Cybertruck is high art.
Rivian had to recall all of theirs for the same reason. Turns out a 3-ton car is hard to engineer.
I have a 2022 Rivian and I don't remember any recalls for brake rotors or wheels falling off. There was one about a year after they made the first R1T where they had forgotten to record the torque of a bolt for the upper control arm during assembly, but the recall just involved having the torque checked, they didn't have to replace anything. Is that the recall you're thinking of?
They told everyone who owned a rivian at that time to stop driving it immediately until the guy could come out and put the wheels back on. That is a recall.
Anyone still wants to buy a Tesla though?
The design used to be futuristic-novel. But novelty passes - it now looks like a car pressed to pieces in a shredder. And it is very expensive. But most importantly, after Elon did his right-arm raise gesture twice, even aside from mass-firing people at DOGE or elsewhere ... does anyone still want to give more money to a very strange oligarch, who uses money to buy more influence and opinions here? Or buys a platform to turn it into a propaganda amplifier for his strange remarks about race and ethnicity?
Forgive me, but LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Great headline. What a POS.
Junk
Rocket man bad (after 2022)