I would actually be impressed with the administration if they strategically decided to use aliens as a PR move specifically to distract from the topics listed.
IMO the “why” is far simpler, not a complicated ploy to distract people’s attention.
I think at best we will find very distant evidence of advanced alien life: Inspiring, but so far away and unreachable that we’ll never meet or communicate with them in any way.
Don’t know what’s worse: wondering if there is alien life or knowing there is alien life in a distant system somewhere but having no further information that can be learned about them.
Or the implication that FTL and interstellar travel is either outright impossible or completely impractical. We are trapped alone in our otherwise unexceptional solar system forever, or until there is a catastrophe so large as to kill us off as a species.
transparency on the UFO issue removes a pillar and gateway to conspiracy thinking, and it will restore some much needed trust in the state as a set of institutions. the benefits of signalling the government is in it with its people on this issue creates a renewed sense of shared stake.
imo ufo disclosure is probably the most important thing a democratic government could do right now, and one of the few things it could actually succeed at.
In the likely event that whatever gets disclosed turns out to be nothing, do you think that's going to satisfy anyone who currently thinks the government's covering up aliens?
One way or another, they've been lying to us for decades now. It pretty much breaks down into, either they know about aliens and they've been aggressively lying about it for decades, or there is no evidence of aliens, in which case they have almost certainly had a hand in creating the news and foisting it on the world. Somebody is making all those faked videos and photos.
One can try to craft scenarios that try to split between those two branches, but I haven't come up with anything very credible. For instance, it is just faintly possible that this whole thing is one gigantic ten-thousand-way misunderstanding, but even then I find it hard to believe nobody in any position to get to the bottom of such a thing did and then did something sensible with the result.
At this point I pretty much won't believe anything they say, in any direction. No matter what the truth may be, "they", for all suitable values of "they", have burnt all their credibility already. No matter what the truth is, "they" have clearly been throwing up vast quantities of smoke for decades now.
I say this without much opinion on what the truth is, because this is independent of any particular person's beliefs on the matter. Nor do I have strong opinions on who "they" is; yes, I'm using it as a pronoun without a referent, but at least I'm doing so knowingly. I don't know who exactly is doing this and "they" is just the grammatically-correct way to express that in English. No matter what you believe and no matter what the truth actually is, I think this is a fair assessment.
> Somebody is making all those faked videos and photos.
Yeah. Bored 15 year olds for laughs.
We had a great time putting the most ridiculous stuff out there.
Having a classmate who was actively buying into tons of conspiracy theories (9/11, cold sun, hollow earth, ...) was just the cherry on top and probably what got us into it in the first place.
theres a tail of people who wont believe anything, and everyone will say its bluebeam, but the bob lazar S4 documentary and follow up conversation on american alchemy is very compelling.
i doubt there will be official popular contact in my lifetime, but orienting a nuclear and AI capable civilization to a place relative to others seems timely.
AI is the perfect (and necessary) bridging and filtering tech for transferring ideas from a more advanced civilization, as it's an integration layer. it's "us" as the sum of our knowledge, but its notionally superior, and can be adapted and expanded, where it's a proxy or buffer for ontological shocks.
Lazar said he walked by an open door and saw either an alien or what was possibly a stuffed animal on a chair. I commend him for making 40 years of hay out of this.
That seems overly optimistic to me. People who already distrust the government aren't going to change their minds. Even if the government releases everything, conspiracy theorists will just say it's a lie to hide the real truth. In fact, releasing information would probably just fuel the fire. Every document release is just more material for people to sift through and spin new theories.
Oh come on, do you seriously believe that conspiracy theorists will just throw up their hands and say "Looks like we were wrong, see, Trump released all the UFO files, we can now trust the United States Federal Government again!"?
Either they will release enough that gives conspiracy theorists the proof that confirms all their theories (spoiler: it won't) or this itself will become another thread in the cover-up, just like those "Epstein Files, Volume 1" binders Pam Bondi was giving to MAGA influencers.
It wouldn't surprise me if they started using that site for information about terrestrial aliens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)
I just get an SSL warning, that the site's certificate is only valid for *.go-vip.co.
If you continue through the warning you get a standard wordpress error about multisites.
As much as I love UFOs and ETs, I feel like there's more important things to work on than releasing a bunch of useless reports.
That’s tautological if you presume they’re useless.
(But they probably will be)
It’s not that much of a presumption if we already know that UFOs aren’t aliens.
Hrmmph, interdimensional beings? Nice angle! I must say-
For you maybe, but it's not hard to see why this is a top government priority.
Many people very into UFOs were also being louder than convenient about the Epstein files. It's a domestic distraction, not unlike the Iran war.
If people are talking about maybe-aliens that's a conversation that isn't about the president raping children.
The UFO people are telling me it’s Cuba next and then revelation of alien technology recovery from a crash site.
Vamos a ver…
I think your comment hit all the main rage bait keywords: UFOs, aliens, Epstein, Iran, Trump, sexual abuse
Oh definitely not. I didn't mention Israel/Palestine once.
they're not wrong though
I would actually be impressed with the administration if they strategically decided to use aliens as a PR move specifically to distract from the topics listed.
IMO the “why” is far simpler, not a complicated ploy to distract people’s attention.
The last 6 months has been nothing but distraction lever-pulls away from the Epstein Files,
and strategy is easily outsourced to others.
how tf do you know they’re useless
Good to see some actual acknowledge from the beings living amongst us. The constant denying is getting frustrating.
Do you actually believe that? And if yes, why? Just curious
The aliens can update those plugins.
I think at best we will find very distant evidence of advanced alien life: Inspiring, but so far away and unreachable that we’ll never meet or communicate with them in any way.
Don’t know what’s worse: wondering if there is alien life or knowing there is alien life in a distant system somewhere but having no further information that can be learned about them.
Or the implication that FTL and interstellar travel is either outright impossible or completely impractical. We are trapped alone in our otherwise unexceptional solar system forever, or until there is a catastrophe so large as to kill us off as a species.
we can all but assume it does exist, the odds support it heavily... it would be astounding if we were the only ones
but still the distances of both time and space are insurmountable
What odds? We have an n of 1.
The odds of water, being just at the right distance to the sun, etc i guess
Sure we dont know the chance of life emerging, the symbiotic relationship that provides power for cells, chance of multicells etc.
There’s a rumor Trump’s minting a new coin for UFO disclosure
He just executed a rug pull on his last coin so I guess it is time to start hunting for some new bag holders.
Why would they disclose anything of substance with regards to aliens? Their constituency is religious.
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transparency on the UFO issue removes a pillar and gateway to conspiracy thinking, and it will restore some much needed trust in the state as a set of institutions. the benefits of signalling the government is in it with its people on this issue creates a renewed sense of shared stake.
imo ufo disclosure is probably the most important thing a democratic government could do right now, and one of the few things it could actually succeed at.
In the likely event that whatever gets disclosed turns out to be nothing, do you think that's going to satisfy anyone who currently thinks the government's covering up aliens?
One way or another, they've been lying to us for decades now. It pretty much breaks down into, either they know about aliens and they've been aggressively lying about it for decades, or there is no evidence of aliens, in which case they have almost certainly had a hand in creating the news and foisting it on the world. Somebody is making all those faked videos and photos.
One can try to craft scenarios that try to split between those two branches, but I haven't come up with anything very credible. For instance, it is just faintly possible that this whole thing is one gigantic ten-thousand-way misunderstanding, but even then I find it hard to believe nobody in any position to get to the bottom of such a thing did and then did something sensible with the result.
At this point I pretty much won't believe anything they say, in any direction. No matter what the truth may be, "they", for all suitable values of "they", have burnt all their credibility already. No matter what the truth is, "they" have clearly been throwing up vast quantities of smoke for decades now.
I say this without much opinion on what the truth is, because this is independent of any particular person's beliefs on the matter. Nor do I have strong opinions on who "they" is; yes, I'm using it as a pronoun without a referent, but at least I'm doing so knowingly. I don't know who exactly is doing this and "they" is just the grammatically-correct way to express that in English. No matter what you believe and no matter what the truth actually is, I think this is a fair assessment.
> Somebody is making all those faked videos and photos.
Yeah. Bored 15 year olds for laughs.
We had a great time putting the most ridiculous stuff out there.
Having a classmate who was actively buying into tons of conspiracy theories (9/11, cold sun, hollow earth, ...) was just the cherry on top and probably what got us into it in the first place.
theres a tail of people who wont believe anything, and everyone will say its bluebeam, but the bob lazar S4 documentary and follow up conversation on american alchemy is very compelling.
i doubt there will be official popular contact in my lifetime, but orienting a nuclear and AI capable civilization to a place relative to others seems timely.
AI is the perfect (and necessary) bridging and filtering tech for transferring ideas from a more advanced civilization, as it's an integration layer. it's "us" as the sum of our knowledge, but its notionally superior, and can be adapted and expanded, where it's a proxy or buffer for ontological shocks.
im optimistic on this.
Lazar said he walked by an open door and saw either an alien or what was possibly a stuffed animal on a chair. I commend him for making 40 years of hay out of this.
That seems overly optimistic to me. People who already distrust the government aren't going to change their minds. Even if the government releases everything, conspiracy theorists will just say it's a lie to hide the real truth. In fact, releasing information would probably just fuel the fire. Every document release is just more material for people to sift through and spin new theories.
That's just what they want you to think.
Oh come on, do you seriously believe that conspiracy theorists will just throw up their hands and say "Looks like we were wrong, see, Trump released all the UFO files, we can now trust the United States Federal Government again!"?
Either they will release enough that gives conspiracy theorists the proof that confirms all their theories (spoiler: it won't) or this itself will become another thread in the cover-up, just like those "Epstein Files, Volume 1" binders Pam Bondi was giving to MAGA influencers.