You can judge for yourself what work has been done in the last 5 months. Many short videos here. New open source contributors who I didn't know before ramping up.
Does anyone have any experience with this DB? Or context about where it came from?
From the commit history it's obvious that this is an AI coded project. It was started a few months ago, 99% of commits are from 1 contributor, and that 1 contributor has some times committed 100,000 lines of code per week. (EDIT: 200,000 lines of code in the first week)
I'm not anti-LLM, but I've done enough AI coding to know that one person submitting 100,000 lines of code a week is not doing deep thought and review on the AI output. I also know from experience that letting AI code the majority of a complex project leads to something very fragile, overly complicated, and not well thought out. I've been burned enough times by investigating projects that turned out to be AI slop with polished landing pages. In some cases the claimed benchmarks were improperly run or just hallucinated by the AI.
So is anyone actually using this? Or is this someone's personal experiment in building a resume portfolio project by letting AI run against a problem for a few months?
That is a lot of code for what appears to be a vanilla graph database with a conventional architecture. The thing I would be cautious about is that graph database engines in particular are known for hiding many sharp edges without a lot of subtle and sophisticated design. It isn't obvious that the necessary level of attention to detail has been paid here.
Yes a graph database will happily lead you down a n^3 (or worse!) path when trying to query for a single relation if you are not wise about your indexes, etc.
Sounds about right for someone who ships fast and iterates. 54 days for a v0 that probably needs refactoring isn't that crazy if the dev has a real DB background. We've all seen open source projects drag on for 3 years without shipping anything, that's not necessarily better
Agreed, there's been a literal explosion in the last 3 months of new graph databases coded from scratch, clearly largely LLM assisted. I'm having to keep track of the industry quite a bit to decide what to add support for on https://gdotv.com and frankly these days it's getting tedious.
There seem to be a lot of these, how does it compare to Helix DB for example? Also, why would you ever want to query a database with GraphQL, for which it was explicitly not made for that purpose?
There are 25 graph databases all going me too in the AI/LLM driven cycle.
Writing it in Rust gets visibility because of the popularity of the language on HN.
Here's why we are not doing it for LadybugDB.
Would love to explore a more gradual/incremental path.
Also focusing on just one query language: strongly typed cypher.
https://github.com/LadybugDB/ladybug/discussions/141
Is LadybugDB not one of these 25 projects?
LadybugDB is backed by this tech (I didn't write it)
https://vldb.org/cidrdb/2023/kuzu-graph-database-management-...
You can judge for yourself what work has been done in the last 5 months. Many short videos here. New open source contributors who I didn't know before ramping up.
https://youtube.com/@ladybugdb
Does anyone have any experience with this DB? Or context about where it came from?
From the commit history it's obvious that this is an AI coded project. It was started a few months ago, 99% of commits are from 1 contributor, and that 1 contributor has some times committed 100,000 lines of code per week. (EDIT: 200,000 lines of code in the first week)
I'm not anti-LLM, but I've done enough AI coding to know that one person submitting 100,000 lines of code a week is not doing deep thought and review on the AI output. I also know from experience that letting AI code the majority of a complex project leads to something very fragile, overly complicated, and not well thought out. I've been burned enough times by investigating projects that turned out to be AI slop with polished landing pages. In some cases the claimed benchmarks were improperly run or just hallucinated by the AI.
So is anyone actually using this? Or is this someone's personal experiment in building a resume portfolio project by letting AI run against a problem for a few months?
That is a lot of code for what appears to be a vanilla graph database with a conventional architecture. The thing I would be cautious about is that graph database engines in particular are known for hiding many sharp edges without a lot of subtle and sophisticated design. It isn't obvious that the necessary level of attention to detail has been paid here.
Are you talking about Andy Pavlo bet here?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29737326
Kuzu folks took some of these discussions and implemented them. SIP, ASP joins, factorized joins and WCOJ.
Internally it's structured very similar to DuckDB, except for the differences noted above.
DuckDB 1.5 implemented sideways information passing (SIP). And LadybugDB is bringing in support for DuckDB node tables.
So the idea that graph databases have shaky internals stems primarily from pre 2021 incumbents.
4 more years to go to 2030!
Source: https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/08/great_graph_debate_we...
> There are some additional optimizations that are specific to graphs that a relational DBMS needs to incorporate: [...]
This is essentially what Kuzu implemented and DuckDB tried to implement (DuckPGQ), without touching relational storage.
The jury is out on which one is a better approach.
Yes a graph database will happily lead you down a n^3 (or worse!) path when trying to query for a single relation if you are not wise about your indexes, etc.
Are you talking about the query plan for scanning the rel table? Kuzu used a hash index and a join.
Trying to make it optional.
Try
explain match (a)-[b]->(c) return a.rowid, b.rowid, c.rowid;
Sounds about right for someone who ships fast and iterates. 54 days for a v0 that probably needs refactoring isn't that crazy if the dev has a real DB background. We've all seen open source projects drag on for 3 years without shipping anything, that's not necessarily better
Agreed, there's been a literal explosion in the last 3 months of new graph databases coded from scratch, clearly largely LLM assisted. I'm having to keep track of the industry quite a bit to decide what to add support for on https://gdotv.com and frankly these days it's getting tedious.
There seem to be a lot of these, how does it compare to Helix DB for example? Also, why would you ever want to query a database with GraphQL, for which it was explicitly not made for that purpose?
This looks like another avant-garde "art" project.