Increasing natural gas generation is of course disastrous policy with a major death toll from the climate disaster, there needs to be a rampdown of fossils use and production.
Even if the pledges are in good faith, people are being naive about how utilities work.
The general goal for utilities has been to pursue the next “thing” and work toward some sort of regulation to lock in demand, which can be used as a lever to seek price increases and consolidate.
If there’s margin to be had, the utilities will find a way, and prices will go up either way.
Trump helping tech bros sell more data centers. A pledge is moronic. You pay for what you use since time immemorial. Don't need to redefine existing words with new meaning.
Do they pledge the costs of noise pollution and damage to water sources? Let’s be honest - these pledges are theater that reflects an agreement between tech oligarchs and the Trump administration. The pay the bribes via donations or whatever, and get back this deceptive theater show.
Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?
Claude:
“To your main question — is a pledge a legal document?
Generally, no. A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract. The agreement doesn’t appear to carry any concrete, binding commitments. There’s no penalty mechanism or enforcement structure the way a contract would have.“
Using Claude to provide a legal definition of "pledge" is unconvincing at best.
> What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?
To answer that question is to first agree upon the legal definition of "pledge":
pledge
v. to deposit personal property as security for a personal
loan of money. If the loan is not repaid when due, the
personal property pledged shall be forfeit to the lender.
The property is known as collateral. To pledge is the same
as to pawn. 2) to promise to do something.[0]
Without careful review of the document signed, it is impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable in this case.
> A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract.
This very well may be incorrect in this context and serves an exemplar as to why relying upon statistical document generation is not a recommended legal strategy.
No, this is not my goal. My goal was to illuminate that Claude is a product which produces the most statistically relevant content to a prompt submitted therein.
> I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?
The post to which I originally replied cited "Claude" as if it were an authoritative source. To which I disagreed and then provided a definition from law.com. Where is my failure?
> Law.com's first definition is inapplicable.
From the article:
The pledge includes a commitment by technology companies to
bring or buy electricity supplies for their datacenters,
either from new power plants or existing plants with
expanded output capacity. It also includes commitments from
big tech to pay for upgrades to power delivery systems and
to enter special electricity rate agreements with utilities.[0]
> That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.
To which I originally wrote:
Without careful review of the document signed, it is
impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable
in this case.
> Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response.
"Less useful" is subjective and I shall not contend. "Less thought out" is laughable as I possess the ability to think and "Claude" does not.
> Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.
The LLM-based service generated a statistically relevant document to the prompt given in which you, presumably a human, interpreted said document as being "actually answers the question". This is otherwise known as anthropomorphism[0].
> Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?
That's the boring part until you look at what they're promising to do.
It's not as if existing data centers were getting power by sending a masked rogue to climb the utility pole, tap the lines and bypass the electric meter. Paying for electricity is the thing they were going to do anyway.
Likewise, paying for "new generation capacity" is the thing they were probably going to do regardless, because colocating large data centers with power plants saves the expense of power transmission which lowers their costs.
And as the article alludes to, the real question is when? In general you can build a data center faster than you can build a power plant, which is exactly the reason data centers can cause short-term electricity prices to increase. They temporarily cause demand to exceed supply until supply has time to catch up. So on the one hand the whole issue is kind of meh because it was only ever going to be a temporary price increase anyway, and on the other hand having them build power plants at the same rate anybody else is building power plants doesn't actually change anything or address the temporary shortfall. (If you really want to solve it, find a way to build power generation capacity faster.)
And then it doesn't matter if you can enforce the promise because they're just promising to do things they were going to do anyway.
Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken. It's certainly possible, we don't need to be cynical.
> Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken.
You're looking at the the conditional the wrong way. You want to look at how often pledges lead to "company civic greatness" (or even, you know, anything net positive) to start guessing at the value of a given pledge.
I'd be cautious about using Claude, given that they're designated as a supply chain risk by the US Government. Why not use the approved and officially certified ChatGPT instead?
I don't think there's any mechanism in US law for anyone to make a binding promise about terms they plan to include in contracts they might sign with unspecified local governments in the future.
Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.
| Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.
... plus it would require "tech firms" to actually modify their behaviour and that would never do.
You can read the actual pledge at [0]. The executive order regarding it is at [1].
There's some speculation in the comments about what is or isn't in the pledge. I recommend reading it yourself.
[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/ratepayer-protec...
[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/03/rate...
This is USA so we all know that those techs companies won't pay a cent back at the end, but the population will.
We're all gonna end up paying for this and everyone involved knows it.
"The invisible hand" of free markets has become truly invisible...
Does it include externalities (co2 emissions)?
Increasing natural gas generation is of course disastrous policy with a major death toll from the climate disaster, there needs to be a rampdown of fossils use and production.
There are no such things as CO2 emissions in this administration. Your AI chatbots will be powered by clean coal and you'll enjoy it!
While we're at it, water use is another externality.
Strange downvotes for a relevant question.
Non-binding and voluntary = a bunch of lip service
Even if the pledges are in good faith, people are being naive about how utilities work.
The general goal for utilities has been to pursue the next “thing” and work toward some sort of regulation to lock in demand, which can be used as a lever to seek price increases and consolidate.
If there’s margin to be had, the utilities will find a way, and prices will go up either way.
The only people who believes corpo jackoffery these days are either boomers or people investing their remaining money in big line go up
Trump helping tech bros sell more data centers. A pledge is moronic. You pay for what you use since time immemorial. Don't need to redefine existing words with new meaning.
Do they pledge the costs of noise pollution and damage to water sources? Let’s be honest - these pledges are theater that reflects an agreement between tech oligarchs and the Trump administration. The pay the bribes via donations or whatever, and get back this deceptive theater show.
Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?
Claude:
“To your main question — is a pledge a legal document? Generally, no. A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract. The agreement doesn’t appear to carry any concrete, binding commitments. There’s no penalty mechanism or enforcement structure the way a contract would have.“
Using Claude to provide a legal definition of "pledge" is unconvincing at best.
> What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?
To answer that question is to first agree upon the legal definition of "pledge":
Without careful review of the document signed, it is impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable in this case.> A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract.
This very well may be incorrect in this context and serves an exemplar as to why relying upon statistical document generation is not a recommended legal strategy.
0 - https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1544
Wait, we know it’s not your definition, because it’s inapplicable.
> Wait, we know it’s not your definition ...
Of course it is not "my definition", as I cited the source of it.
> ... because it’s inapplicable.
Take that up with law.com.
Your goal seemed to be to fact check Claude. I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?
Law.com's first definition is inapplicable. That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.
> Your goal seemed to be to fact check Claude.
No, this is not my goal. My goal was to illuminate that Claude is a product which produces the most statistically relevant content to a prompt submitted therein.
> I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?
The post to which I originally replied cited "Claude" as if it were an authoritative source. To which I disagreed and then provided a definition from law.com. Where is my failure?
> Law.com's first definition is inapplicable.
From the article:
> That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.To which I originally wrote:
0 - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-tech-comp...Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response. Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.
The AI slop is still slop in any context.
> Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response.
"Less useful" is subjective and I shall not contend. "Less thought out" is laughable as I possess the ability to think and "Claude" does not.
> Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.
The LLM-based service generated a statistically relevant document to the prompt given in which you, presumably a human, interpreted said document as being "actually answers the question". This is otherwise known as anthropomorphism[0].
0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism
Is it the same kind of pledge as alluded to in the Amber Heard trial?
Pledges are somewhere between a pinky swear and a high five.
Fingers crossed spit shake
> Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?
That's the boring part until you look at what they're promising to do.
It's not as if existing data centers were getting power by sending a masked rogue to climb the utility pole, tap the lines and bypass the electric meter. Paying for electricity is the thing they were going to do anyway.
Likewise, paying for "new generation capacity" is the thing they were probably going to do regardless, because colocating large data centers with power plants saves the expense of power transmission which lowers their costs.
And as the article alludes to, the real question is when? In general you can build a data center faster than you can build a power plant, which is exactly the reason data centers can cause short-term electricity prices to increase. They temporarily cause demand to exceed supply until supply has time to catch up. So on the one hand the whole issue is kind of meh because it was only ever going to be a temporary price increase anyway, and on the other hand having them build power plants at the same rate anybody else is building power plants doesn't actually change anything or address the temporary shortfall. (If you really want to solve it, find a way to build power generation capacity faster.)
And then it doesn't matter if you can enforce the promise because they're just promising to do things they were going to do anyway.
It's a PR exercise that makes both the companies and the administration feel good. Not more. There will be no or just cosmetic change.
You can just use a traditional search engine for this. I have no interest in reading your LLM output.
Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken. It's certainly possible, we don't need to be cynical.
> Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken.
You're looking at the the conditional the wrong way. You want to look at how often pledges lead to "company civic greatness" (or even, you know, anything net positive) to start guessing at the value of a given pledge.
The thing about the old days is, they’s the old days.
And yes this particular group of professional liars provide every reason to be cynical.
considering how we uphold treaties im not sure the terminology matters one way or the other
I'd be cautious about using Claude, given that they're designated as a supply chain risk by the US Government. Why not use the approved and officially certified ChatGPT instead?
I'm assuming there's a missing /s tag there.
I don't think there's any mechanism in US law for anyone to make a binding promise about terms they plan to include in contracts they might sign with unspecified local governments in the future.
Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.
| Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.
... plus it would require "tech firms" to actually modify their behaviour and that would never do.