> Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper' for the US
Which would be true if the Nobel Peace Prize wasn't given to Barack Obama (and never revoked despite the overwhelming evidence his actions led to more wars). Because he shamelessly went to Geneva to personally collect the Nobel Peace Prize AFTER he has signed off to start new wars from the beginning of his first tenure. In fact, Barack Obama is the only two-term US President who kept the nation officially involved throughout his tenures.
It is evident.. Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize not because he was the doyen of peace (no, he was the harbinger of wars), but because he was the first Black President in the history of the United States of America.
And there are other examples where the genuineness and sincerity of the Nobel Committee can be questioned.
Ironically, Donald Trump has directly or indirectly dismantled or paused more wars than Obama started (and continued). However, to think of him as a soothsayer of peace is foolhardiness. He is deep in the pockets of the wealthy elites, and does whatever's best for them and him. He doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize either.
Yeah, I realise the Nobel prizes cannot be revoked. It was sarcasm.
But let's hear it from the horse's mouth..
The secretary of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Geir Lundestad, wrote in his memoir that the decision “did not achieve what the committee had hoped for”, and that “in hindsight the argument … was only partially correct.”
> because he was the first Black President in the history
That seems to have hit a sore spot in you. A black man, who could have thought?
Did you read the motivation?
"Extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama's promotion of nuclear nonproliferation[2] and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world."
As I recall it (somewhat vividly), the world took a sigh of relief after the tensions had been rising for many years between USA and the muslim world. After years of what GWB himself called "crusades" in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And Obama took action to soothe the tension.
That said. I do agree the prize was premature and a mistake in hindsight. (Obama himself was very surprised and humbled). But at the time, I too felt a big relief because people were actually talking to each other like human beings.
My point is not just that Nobel Committe offered the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, it is that: he went and accepted it in person, AFTER he had already certainly signed off on new wars (you can cross-check their timelines) almost immediately after he took oath as the new President. And he did sign off on new wars, during BOTH tenures.
So Obama is a hypocrite, who shamelessly accepted Peace Prize after starting wars and conflicts.
History tells us:
* Obama inherited the Iraq War and Afghanistan war, started during Bush Jr. regime. But to his credit, Obama ended them.
* However, Obama (USA) and NATO intervened in the Libya civil war and escalated it.
* Obama did the full scale war in Syria (but one can argue it was to combat terrorism).
* But under Obama regime, there was major increase in drone strikes in: Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia. These were highly controversial due to civilian casualties.
In a nutshell, Obama ended one war, he didn't initiate traditional large-scale wars, but he certainly expanded air, drone, and proxy conflicts.
That's why I said Obama is the only 2-term US President who kept his country at war during both tenures.
Now that is a dubious honor for any politician, whether he be black or white or any color in between.
Now Trump Sr. is following the bloodsoaked footsteps of Bush Jr. and Obama (in terms of warfare, I mean).
Trump has invaded and seized Venezuela, and he's threatening to do the same to Greenland. And he won't stop there. But bullies never do.
FYI, I am brown. But irrespective of skin color, I do not condone a warmonger getting or coveting a peace prize (a highly prestigious and huge amount involved at that: $1+ million dollars prize money).
Perhaps Americans and their NATO allies do not see such perspective, maybe because they think that blind patriotism and war-for-oils are greater than pragmatism and world peace.
Or maybe they think their country being a warmonger bully is justified, to "soothe the tensions".
In the annals of history, Obama and Trump will both be judged, on the same pedestal of warfare. And it won't paint them in a good picture.
A simple Google search of the wars started/involved by USA under the regime of Obama should tell you whether it is historical fact or a syndrome of your own coinage.
This is run of the mill copypasta about Obama's Nobel Prize and has zero relevance to whether or not Trump not getting the award is casus belli against a completely different country.
However I am interested to hear your plan for Obama ending the wars that Cheney dumped on him.
What is copy-pasta here? All these facts about Obama and his wars are known to the world.
Or do Americans have wool on their eyes when it comes to their politicians' wrongdoings?
It is my bad that I wrote Geneva instead of Oslo. But that typo/errata doesn't change the facts about Obama or Trump.
How can you claim it to be zero relevance when the discussion is about incumbent US President not deserving the Nobel Peace Prize, when it is a fact that the US President he replaced earlier certainly didn't deserve either (for doing wars through 2 consecutive tenures)?
Or are you accustomed to making excuses for the most powerful men in the world, using their privilege to get or expect Nobel Peace Prize like it is some cotton candy?
Although, cotton candy might have more relevance than the Nobel Peace Prize, IMHO.
Considering that some of the previous recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize are of dubious distinction:
** By your "Cheney did wars that Obama didn't stop" yardstick, Henry Kissinger should also be squarely blamed, though he himself got the Nobel Peace Prize. (Hmmm, what's up with such warmongers getting Nobel Peace Prize?!)
Of course, Kissinger didn’t start the Vietnam war, but he played a major role in how it was conducted and ended. He helped design the policy of “Vietnamization” (gradual U.S. withdrawal while training South Vietnamese forces). He was involved in secret bombing campaigns in Cambodia and Laos, which are among the most controversial aspects of U.S. policy.
** Aung Sang Suu Kyu supported military genocides on some communities, though she spent most of her life in jail or house-arrest and was a crusader for democracy (unfortunately she appears to have died, as her son and others claim she's missing from last few years after her government was overthrown by a military junta coup and she was jailed).
** Mahatma Gandhi was a wife-beating paedophile, he was responsible for Partition of India and genocides on Hindus (due to his open support for Jinnah who unleashed those genocides), his actions caused millions of Indians to suffer for years under brutal British enslavement.
But I see you are making excuses for the US Presidents not being able to stop wars their country started or involved in.
So you think Bush Jr. and Obama were puppets of Dick Cheney? So is your vice president running your country, not the President? Then why have that seemingly irrelevant position of President at the White House?
Is that your excuse now to ignore Trump's wrongdoings? (He won't get the Nobel Peace Prize, for sure, but he'll try to buy it or coerce it, he doesn't seem to care what the world thinks of him, because he knows Americans think highly of him, because they elected him twice (the second time he took oath for the highest office, was AFTER he was convicted of felony))!
Even I am finding this all ridiculous to type out, it is even more frustrating that this is all real history, and (like it is wont to do) history seems to be repeating itself: The most powerful men in the world doing wars/invasions, while chasing after Nobel Peace Prize.
For the record, in 1917 the US bought the then Danish West Indies and made them the United States Virgin Islands and gave up Greenland:
> During 1916, the two sides agreed to a sale price of $25,000,000, and the United States accepted a Danish demand for a declaration stating that they would "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland".[12][18] Although it had a claim on northern Greenland based on explorations by Charles Francis Hall[19] and Robert Peary, the United States decided that the purchase was more important, especially because of the nearby Panama Canal.[20] Historian Bo Lidegaard questions the utility of such a declaration, as the country had never disputed Danish sovereignty.[12]
> In proceeding this day to the signature of the Convention respecting the cession of the Danish West-Indian Islands to the United States of America, the undersigned Secretary of State of the United States of America, duly authorized by his Government, has the honor to declare that the Government of the United States of America will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland.
Whenever this gets mentioned, it's always pointed out that in Idocracy, President Camacho finds the smartest person in the world to actually fix the problems.
NEW: @potus letter to @jonasgahrstore links @NobelPrize to Greenland, reiterates threats, and is forwarded by the NSC staff to multiple European ambassadors in Washington. I obtained the text from multiple officials:
Dear Ambassador:
President Trump has asked that the following message, shared with Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, be forwarded to your [named head of government/state]
"Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT"
"I have done more for NATO than any person since founding"?
And, how would Denmark protect that land from Russia or China? By being part of NATO.
And, he thinks the Prime Minister of Norway decides who gets the Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, it's chosen by a committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway, so the Prime Minister probably has some influence, but I presume it is not a direct decision.
This is the most arrogant, out-of-touch thing I have seen from Trump yet. Appalling.
The bar is so low, that it's just flabbergasting and not even serious-discussion-worthy that the PM of Norway has to today deal with what is on the level of a McDonald's manager getting a misdirected complaint about a Whopper from a Karen...
A Karen that commands the most potentially destructive military force on the planet with his tiny fingers...
If Biden had sent such a memo, everyone would've talked about how his IQ must have gone as low as the temperature in Oslo...
"Trump has often boasted about ending eight wars, styling himself as "the president of peace" and therefore deserving of the Nobel honour but those claims have been exaggerated.
The latest conflict he claims to have ended was two years of fighting between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
The other seven are Israel and Iran, Pakistan and India, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, Thailand and Cambodia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Egypt and Ethiopia and Serbia and Kosovo.
But some of those conflicts lasted just days and one, Egypt-Ethiopia, had no fighting to end but rather involved long-standing issues of water sharing from the Nile River."
I've been talking to a friend that maybe his way to world domination is to give everyone with a brain an aneurysm.
Also, it's pathetic how his envy of a particular younger, charismatic, well-loved Black man is so apparent. Obama has at least two things Trump is envious about, one is the Nobel Peace Prize, and the other is something Michelle Obama needs to compare notes with Stormy Daniels about.
> Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper' for the US
No words
Two words: schoolyard bully
It's just so ridiculous as "your Country" doesn't decide who gets the Nobel Peace Prize.
Trump thinks every country runs by command from on top, just as he attempts to run America.
Which would be true if the Nobel Peace Prize wasn't given to Barack Obama (and never revoked despite the overwhelming evidence his actions led to more wars). Because he shamelessly went to Geneva to personally collect the Nobel Peace Prize AFTER he has signed off to start new wars from the beginning of his first tenure. In fact, Barack Obama is the only two-term US President who kept the nation officially involved throughout his tenures.
It is evident.. Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize not because he was the doyen of peace (no, he was the harbinger of wars), but because he was the first Black President in the history of the United States of America.
And there are other examples where the genuineness and sincerity of the Nobel Committee can be questioned.
Ironically, Donald Trump has directly or indirectly dismantled or paused more wars than Obama started (and continued). However, to think of him as a soothsayer of peace is foolhardiness. He is deep in the pockets of the wealthy elites, and does whatever's best for them and him. He doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize either.
The point is that Norway does not hand out the peace price - an independent committee does.
And its Oslo, not Geneva.
My apologies. Yes, you are right, Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, not Geneva.
However, you are incorrect on your first point.
Nobel Peace Prize is decided by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, a group of five members appointed by the Norwegian Parliament (Storting).
This is different from the other Nobel Prizes, which are decided by Swedish institutions and awarded in Stockholm.
Not to mention that prizes can't be revoked.
Yeah, I realise the Nobel prizes cannot be revoked. It was sarcasm.
But let's hear it from the horse's mouth..
The secretary of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Geir Lundestad, wrote in his memoir that the decision “did not achieve what the committee had hoped for”, and that “in hindsight the argument … was only partially correct.”
> because he was the first Black President in the history
That seems to have hit a sore spot in you. A black man, who could have thought?
Did you read the motivation?
"Extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama's promotion of nuclear nonproliferation[2] and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize
As I recall it (somewhat vividly), the world took a sigh of relief after the tensions had been rising for many years between USA and the muslim world. After years of what GWB himself called "crusades" in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And Obama took action to soothe the tension.
That said. I do agree the prize was premature and a mistake in hindsight. (Obama himself was very surprised and humbled). But at the time, I too felt a big relief because people were actually talking to each other like human beings.
My point is not just that Nobel Committe offered the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama, it is that: he went and accepted it in person, AFTER he had already certainly signed off on new wars (you can cross-check their timelines) almost immediately after he took oath as the new President. And he did sign off on new wars, during BOTH tenures.
So Obama is a hypocrite, who shamelessly accepted Peace Prize after starting wars and conflicts.
History tells us: * Obama inherited the Iraq War and Afghanistan war, started during Bush Jr. regime. But to his credit, Obama ended them. * However, Obama (USA) and NATO intervened in the Libya civil war and escalated it. * Obama did the full scale war in Syria (but one can argue it was to combat terrorism). * But under Obama regime, there was major increase in drone strikes in: Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia. These were highly controversial due to civilian casualties.
In a nutshell, Obama ended one war, he didn't initiate traditional large-scale wars, but he certainly expanded air, drone, and proxy conflicts.
That's why I said Obama is the only 2-term US President who kept his country at war during both tenures.
Now that is a dubious honor for any politician, whether he be black or white or any color in between.
Now Trump Sr. is following the bloodsoaked footsteps of Bush Jr. and Obama (in terms of warfare, I mean).
Trump has invaded and seized Venezuela, and he's threatening to do the same to Greenland. And he won't stop there. But bullies never do.
FYI, I am brown. But irrespective of skin color, I do not condone a warmonger getting or coveting a peace prize (a highly prestigious and huge amount involved at that: $1+ million dollars prize money).
Perhaps Americans and their NATO allies do not see such perspective, maybe because they think that blind patriotism and war-for-oils are greater than pragmatism and world peace.
Or maybe they think their country being a warmonger bully is justified, to "soothe the tensions".
In the annals of history, Obama and Trump will both be judged, on the same pedestal of warfare. And it won't paint them in a good picture.
This is Obama Derangement Syndrome.
A simple Google search of the wars started/involved by USA under the regime of Obama should tell you whether it is historical fact or a syndrome of your own coinage.
This is run of the mill copypasta about Obama's Nobel Prize and has zero relevance to whether or not Trump not getting the award is casus belli against a completely different country.
However I am interested to hear your plan for Obama ending the wars that Cheney dumped on him.
What is copy-pasta here? All these facts about Obama and his wars are known to the world.
Or do Americans have wool on their eyes when it comes to their politicians' wrongdoings?
It is my bad that I wrote Geneva instead of Oslo. But that typo/errata doesn't change the facts about Obama or Trump.
How can you claim it to be zero relevance when the discussion is about incumbent US President not deserving the Nobel Peace Prize, when it is a fact that the US President he replaced earlier certainly didn't deserve either (for doing wars through 2 consecutive tenures)?
Or are you accustomed to making excuses for the most powerful men in the world, using their privilege to get or expect Nobel Peace Prize like it is some cotton candy?
Although, cotton candy might have more relevance than the Nobel Peace Prize, IMHO.
Considering that some of the previous recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize are of dubious distinction:
** By your "Cheney did wars that Obama didn't stop" yardstick, Henry Kissinger should also be squarely blamed, though he himself got the Nobel Peace Prize. (Hmmm, what's up with such warmongers getting Nobel Peace Prize?!) Of course, Kissinger didn’t start the Vietnam war, but he played a major role in how it was conducted and ended. He helped design the policy of “Vietnamization” (gradual U.S. withdrawal while training South Vietnamese forces). He was involved in secret bombing campaigns in Cambodia and Laos, which are among the most controversial aspects of U.S. policy. ** Aung Sang Suu Kyu supported military genocides on some communities, though she spent most of her life in jail or house-arrest and was a crusader for democracy (unfortunately she appears to have died, as her son and others claim she's missing from last few years after her government was overthrown by a military junta coup and she was jailed).
** Mahatma Gandhi was a wife-beating paedophile, he was responsible for Partition of India and genocides on Hindus (due to his open support for Jinnah who unleashed those genocides), his actions caused millions of Indians to suffer for years under brutal British enslavement.
But I see you are making excuses for the US Presidents not being able to stop wars their country started or involved in.
So you think Bush Jr. and Obama were puppets of Dick Cheney? So is your vice president running your country, not the President? Then why have that seemingly irrelevant position of President at the White House?
Is that your excuse now to ignore Trump's wrongdoings? (He won't get the Nobel Peace Prize, for sure, but he'll try to buy it or coerce it, he doesn't seem to care what the world thinks of him, because he knows Americans think highly of him, because they elected him twice (the second time he took oath for the highest office, was AFTER he was convicted of felony))!
Even I am finding this all ridiculous to type out, it is even more frustrating that this is all real history, and (like it is wont to do) history seems to be repeating itself: The most powerful men in the world doing wars/invasions, while chasing after Nobel Peace Prize.
> How can you claim it to be zero relevance when the discussion is about incumbent US President not deserving the Nobel Peace Prize
If I wrote "Argentina didn't deserve to win the 2022 World Cup" would you reply with an unhinged rant about France not deserving their 1998 win?
> Henry Kissinger should also be squarely blamed, though he himself got the Nobel Peace Prize.
Finally I was afraid we weren't going to get to Italy's '82 title!
> But I see you are making excuses for the US Presidents not being able to stop wars their country started or involved in.
Are you going to answer my question or just put words in my mouth?
> Is that your excuse now to ignore Trump's wrongdoings?
My what? My guy, you need to take a deep breath and not pretend people are saying things they aren't.
For the record, in 1917 the US bought the then Danish West Indies and made them the United States Virgin Islands and gave up Greenland:
> During 1916, the two sides agreed to a sale price of $25,000,000, and the United States accepted a Danish demand for a declaration stating that they would "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland".[12][18] Although it had a claim on northern Greenland based on explorations by Charles Francis Hall[19] and Robert Peary, the United States decided that the purchase was more important, especially because of the nearby Panama Canal.[20] Historian Bo Lidegaard questions the utility of such a declaration, as the country had never disputed Danish sovereignty.[12]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Danish_West_Indi...
See:
> In proceeding this day to the signature of the Convention respecting the cession of the Danish West-Indian Islands to the United States of America, the undersigned Secretary of State of the United States of America, duly authorized by his Government, has the honor to declare that the Government of the United States of America will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland.
* https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1917/d881
Idiocracy
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
Whenever this gets mentioned, it's always pointed out that in Idocracy, President Camacho finds the smartest person in the world to actually fix the problems.
From Nick Schifrin of PBS' Newshour:
"""
NEW: @potus letter to @jonasgahrstore links @NobelPrize to Greenland, reiterates threats, and is forwarded by the NSC staff to multiple European ambassadors in Washington. I obtained the text from multiple officials:
Dear Ambassador:
President Trump has asked that the following message, shared with Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, be forwarded to your [named head of government/state]
"Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT"
"""
* https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/2013107018081489006#...
* https://xcancel.com/nickschifrin/status/2013107018081489006#...
"I have done more for NATO than any person since founding"?
And, how would Denmark protect that land from Russia or China? By being part of NATO.
And, he thinks the Prime Minister of Norway decides who gets the Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, it's chosen by a committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway, so the Prime Minister probably has some influence, but I presume it is not a direct decision.
This is the most arrogant, out-of-touch thing I have seen from Trump yet. Appalling.
The bar is so low, that it's just flabbergasting and not even serious-discussion-worthy that the PM of Norway has to today deal with what is on the level of a McDonald's manager getting a misdirected complaint about a Whopper from a Karen...
A Karen that commands the most potentially destructive military force on the planet with his tiny fingers...
If Biden had sent such a memo, everyone would've talked about how his IQ must have gone as low as the temperature in Oslo...
>on the level of a McDonald's manager getting a misdirected complaint about a Whopper
Sir, you win the internet today.
Makes me appreciate that it's not a Wendy's ;)
at the moment, I think De Gaulle has done way more for NATO ;)
Genuinely curious what the "eight wars plus" are.
"Trump has often boasted about ending eight wars, styling himself as "the president of peace" and therefore deserving of the Nobel honour but those claims have been exaggerated.
The latest conflict he claims to have ended was two years of fighting between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
The other seven are Israel and Iran, Pakistan and India, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, Thailand and Cambodia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Egypt and Ethiopia and Serbia and Kosovo.
But some of those conflicts lasted just days and one, Egypt-Ethiopia, had no fighting to end but rather involved long-standing issues of water sharing from the Nile River."
https://www.euronews.com/2026/01/19/trump-tells-norways-pm-h...
Missed that, hilarious.
More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46676537
I've been talking to a friend that maybe his way to world domination is to give everyone with a brain an aneurysm.
Also, it's pathetic how his envy of a particular younger, charismatic, well-loved Black man is so apparent. Obama has at least two things Trump is envious about, one is the Nobel Peace Prize, and the other is something Michelle Obama needs to compare notes with Stormy Daniels about.
Ironically Obama did more wars, while Trump has stopped/paused more wars.
And like a hypocrite, Obama went and personally collected the Nobel Peace Prize AFTER he had certainly signed off on new wars and conflicts.
But I think you already knew that.
However, Trump is following on the same warmongering course of his predecessors, so it is not a surprise to anyone outside USA and NATO nations.
The world is not fooled, by the Nobel Peace Prize mask.
Bullies will be bullies, warmongering bullies even more so.
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