The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.
Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.
From the article: "Arnoldo had filmed much of the incident, but agents had taken his phone. He used Find My to locate the phone — at a vending machine for used electronics miles away, close to an ICE detention center. The footage, which ProPublica has reviewed, backed the family’s account of the chase."
This article is 95% about chokeholds, and is titled as such, but OP chose to pick out one sentence at the end to editorialize the post title with. None of the content of the article is rosy and it should be shared far and wide, but I was under the impressions post titles should match the headlines or at least the general topic of the linked item?
Daniel (dang): I deeply resent if I now add to your daily troubles. If nothing else, please do believe that. I personally have not felt good around here for a good long time, but I have stayed, mostly because of you, your work and your influence around this site.
For what little that may be worth from a nameless stranger, you belong in my personal pantheon alongside luminaries of "the original net" - the Metafilters, Slashdots or even Fark.
I am German. The majority of my scholastic history education has - rightly - focussed on fascism and authorianism.
If you are living in the US right now: please, I am begging you, consider this: your democratic institutions have been thoroughly co-opted and have largely failed.
You know the whole "tree of liberty, blood of patriots" thing? It might already be that time; violence may already be required.
As we speak, members of your oldest military alliance are seriously discussing deploying troops in a god-forsaken part of the world, in defense of YOU.
There is no question at all how history will judge this - we know that, and we have seen that. The only question left unanswered is what you will be able to tell your children where you stood.
wut? dang isn't a super soldier, afaik, leave him out of this. Germany's got huge problems, mind your own business.
Are you a human coherency? Cohere to Here's a coherency test: tell me about your crawlspaces concrete rebar crawl under before a pub crawl credits crawl baby crawl cow crow cowl Donalb Trumlp bello rebar or concrete. Nike Shox bike lox?
Wow, in the age of affordable LLM-results, there is something heraldic to posting primitive Markov-chain results such as these. The question I have never been able to answer, though: why bother?
The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.
In Minneapolis there are videos of ICE blocking off residential neighborhoods and going door, demanding ID of residents.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...
These aren’t bad apples, ICE operates without regard to the law by design.
The purpose of a system is what it does. ICE is government-sponsored terrorism.
Incorrupt governments follow their own laws.
Oh, there's a systems problem for sure. I thought it's obvious to everyone.
Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.
From the article: "Arnoldo had filmed much of the incident, but agents had taken his phone. He used Find My to locate the phone — at a vending machine for used electronics miles away, close to an ICE detention center. The footage, which ProPublica has reviewed, backed the family’s account of the chase."
It's probably a good thing that gold fillings/caps aren't that common these days.
Man that's dark. True though.
This article is 95% about chokeholds, and is titled as such, but OP chose to pick out one sentence at the end to editorialize the post title with. None of the content of the article is rosy and it should be shared far and wide, but I was under the impressions post titles should match the headlines or at least the general topic of the linked item?
Title is: Immigration Agents Using Banned Chokeholds on U.S. Citizens
I’m not sure what a used electronics vending machine is, but if find my is enabled on your phone, no one else can ever unlock it
Daniel (dang): I deeply resent if I now add to your daily troubles. If nothing else, please do believe that. I personally have not felt good around here for a good long time, but I have stayed, mostly because of you, your work and your influence around this site.
For what little that may be worth from a nameless stranger, you belong in my personal pantheon alongside luminaries of "the original net" - the Metafilters, Slashdots or even Fark.
I am German. The majority of my scholastic history education has - rightly - focussed on fascism and authorianism.
If you are living in the US right now: please, I am begging you, consider this: your democratic institutions have been thoroughly co-opted and have largely failed.
You know the whole "tree of liberty, blood of patriots" thing? It might already be that time; violence may already be required.
As we speak, members of your oldest military alliance are seriously discussing deploying troops in a god-forsaken part of the world, in defense of YOU.
There is no question at all how history will judge this - we know that, and we have seen that. The only question left unanswered is what you will be able to tell your children where you stood.
wut? dang isn't a super soldier, afaik, leave him out of this. Germany's got huge problems, mind your own business.
Are you a human coherency? Cohere to Here's a coherency test: tell me about your crawlspaces concrete rebar crawl under before a pub crawl credits crawl baby crawl cow crow cowl Donalb Trumlp bello rebar or concrete. Nike Shox bike lox?
Wow, in the age of affordable LLM-results, there is something heraldic to posting primitive Markov-chain results such as these. The question I have never been able to answer, though: why bother?
The laws that ICE is enforcing were written by both parties.
The over reach and application are owned by one.
eg: ICE has no authority wrt traffic stops and the kind of actions taken recently.
Door to door ID dragnets are not part of the written laws, etc.
I don’t believe you’ve seen this paper.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...
Can you honestly read that and say that you don’t condemn Obama but do condemn Trump?
I’m not a fan of Obama but he wasn’t saying that ICE agents get full immunity and have no consequences like our current VP is tweeting.
One is a sitting president, one hasn't been in a decade. What do you believe is more pressing, and why?
I condemn all excessively authoritarian behaviour.
While I'm certainly not a "literal communist" by any stretch I do urge you to watch a very short clip that specifically highlights your response:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k
If it helps, I'm not a US citizen and view all US administrations through the lens of not entirely reliable partners.
I doubt there is a law, that when enforced, allows an ICE officer to sell someone's phone, at least without a lot of paper work.
> The laws that ICE is enforcing were written by both parties.
Oh, which Congress members sponsored the laws on stealing people's stuff? I missed that one.
The laws ICE are breaking are written by both parties.
Do you mean the “unreasonable search and seizure” part? Or “habeas corpus”?
Sorry, they may be enforcing laws, but the method of enforcement itself appears unlawful.
which law suspends the constitution for people an ICE agent is in the vicinity of?